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Has anyone out there installed a ZR4 on a Buick Enclave? I am having trouble figuring out front placement and how to run the wiring from rear sensor. Also could use help finding an installer in NW Arkansas
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Front placement isn't ideal at all on that vehicle. The only place that I can see to mount the shifters is in the small lower grille which is too far away from the headlights to be very effective. Without major body modifications such as cutting holes in the front fascia you may not be able to mount the ZR4, or any laser jammer, effectively.

I typically run the rear laser wire through the kick panels under the door then just find panels to coneal it all the way back. I usually have the hardest time running the rear laser wire with installations. Also for the easiest installation get a crimper that can crimp the phone jacks on the ends of the wires (RJ-11 I think is their name). Then you can cut them off and cut the wire to length after you have run it. This drastically helps running through a avaiable grommet in the firewall.

As for installers in NW AR... I only see one on our site for the entire state.
Auto Audio & Video 11301 W. Markham Little Rock AR 72211 501-225-7737

You can call around and ask if other installers if they are familiar with the ZR4 or our other systems like the 9500ci. If they are not then I wouldn't have them do it unless they can read the manual carefully (ie level and square shifter placement with a clear view of the road)
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Thanks for the responce I was afraid that was going to be the case. How do I go about obtaining a return authorization for my ZR4
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I am having trouble figuring out front placement
Ahh this is a hard one. First I would use 4 shifters on this car AND use Veil on all front lighting. As mentioned, the best place would be where you see the red squares, but the lower ones will need some cutting. Not that hard to do, but it will be time consuming. If you donít want to put them there then use the space as shown in the yellow. Just remember that while this vehicle requires 4 shifters for optimum performance, 2 shifters are better than none. On this vehicle I would always use Veil. The first ticket you save yourself from will more than pay for the shifters/Veil.

BTW-Escort sells a kit (at least they used to) with the crimpers/phone jacks if you need them. Not sure what they cost but shouldn't be more than 20-25 dollars.


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RJ-11 I think is their name
Are you sure about that? I thought they were the small RJ-14 4P4C as shown here? Typically these are used for handsets.
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Thanks for the info. As I travel alot I would really like to get it to work. Is it possible to order just 2 extra shifters?
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According to the installation manual, no. I am actually surprised to see this as most other shifter manufactures allow for expansion. According to Escort you could not even use the rear shifter up front (so that you would have 3 up front). I would do some research with Google to see what your best options are.

In the mean time I would mount the two shifters that you currently have in the yellow area. Reasoning being that most of the time the LEO will first shoot for your front plate (or where your front plate would be). When they do this a shifter in the yellow area should protect you, but they won't stay there for very long, which is why you really need to get some Veil on that car because the very next place that they will most likely shoot for is your headlights, and your headlights are very big. The combination of shifters and Veil on your car should give you a fair amount of protection, unless you're going faster than 85
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Question - are the forward heads capable of being mounted in a vertical manner?



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Overall, I'm in agreement with MyEscort8MyV1 and EscortRadar. That's an awful frontal profile, with awkward hardpoints (but it sure is pretty, aesthetically, ain't it?), and is sizable, to-boot.

Not good.

Working backwards, I agree with ME8MV1, if your state utilizes a front plate, I'd dress it as best-possible and put it up there as bait, and then set up your ZR4 to specifically protect it (as well as center-mass) as much as possible.

If not, then focus on center-mass protection.

For the lighting elements, if the compromises (aesthetic and functional) of using VEIL is acceptable to you, do it. You'll need the extra protection, given how widely spaced your frontal hardpoints, in terms of lighting elements, are.

If you can utilize the ZR4 in a "vertical" orientation, certainly, thinking about going with another two heads, by incorporating a second system (you can wire both to the same inside hardline, sourced for power [or ground, if your vehicle is negatively switched], and use an aftermarket/self-installed "kill switch" as your combined 2x-ZR4 controller, in this manner, you would be able to still retain integration of one of the two ZR4 units, while having an interrupt switch to be able to shut-down both after adjusting your speed to-match) to strengthen your defenses for both the headlights as well as above-beltline concerns (both roofline, in terms of over-the-crest concerns, as well as the rearview mirrors, of which we've just been informed, in the enthusiast community, is now becoming a concern in certain areas' due to specific instructions to enforcers to do so).

If the front heads cannot be mounted vertically, you'll then have to think hard about modifying your front grill in order to properly allow for best jamming capabilities.

Unfortuantely, I'm not into the Lux-SUV scene. As such, I'm ill-prepared to offer you detailed customization advice. In most instances, sourcing a replacement OEM grill so that you can modify one while keeping the other intact for future vehicle-resale or end-of-lease concerns can be a viable route, particularly if either the OEM part can be cheaply obtained or can be sourced as "take offs" from other enthusiasts who may have already upgraded that part of their vehicle.

Alternatively, aftermarket grills can be pursued in the same manner.


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Are you sure about that? I thought they were the small RJ-14 4P4C as shown here? Typically these are used for handsets.
I believe you are correct, and that they should be called RJ-14, due to their slimmer physical dimensions.

EscortRadar, would you please verify this with your engineers?

I know that in MEM-TEK's review, he cites that it's the "telephone handset" type of slimmer/smaller RJ-11, but I also, as with MyEscort8MyV1, believe that this should be RJ-14, instead.

I know from the ZR3 that its RJ-style connectors are much slimmer/smaller than the type that's used for either my Laser Interceptor or for my Laser Pro Park units, which are true RJ-11.
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Question - are the forward heads capable of being mounted in a vertical manner?
I know I've heard of this being tested with other brands of jammers on BMW's and stuff. I think it worked fairly well, But I think it was with Laser Diode jammers, not LED. Be worth a shot, but I would try and get it tested after install before giving a lot of faith in the set up.

Definitely agree on the VEIL!
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Question - are the forward heads capable of being mounted in a vertical manner?
As I understand it all heads are capable of being mounted vertically AS LONG AS they are mounted parallel to the road surface. LED's and LD's send out a circular signal, not a flat one. The easiest way to explain it is to think of mounting a flashlight. You want the lightbeam to be sent out directly in front of it parallel to the road (like a headlight) - not with the lens facing up or down. However, you could turn that same flashlight 360 degrees and it would not effect the beam of light coming out of the flashlight Having said this the grille of the car might effect the way the head works, but that would depend on how narrow the grille spacing is.

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I know that in MEM-TEK's review, he cites that it's the "telephone handset" type of slimmer/smaller RJ-11
That is worded poorly and is very confusing. There is no "smaller RJ-11". RJ-11 is a standard size. It would be like saying you want to buy shoes and are looking for a smaller size 8. Size 8 is size 8. A 'smaller size 8' would be called a size 7, 6, 5,... Similarly the handset connector is called RJ-14 (which IS smaller than a RJ-11, and I think that's what he was trying to say).

I agree with ixlr8, whatever you decide to do, go with two heads, go with 4 heads, whatever brand(s) of shifter you use, I would get your set-up tested. And don't just get it tested once. I would get it tested and then check every couple of months to make sure that the heads did not go out of alignment. This will depend on a lot of things, like road condition, but don't just assume that if you get it tested once that it's good forever. The best jammer in the world will work poorly if it is out of alignment.
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I know I've heard of this being tested with other brands of jammers on BMW's and stuff. I think it worked fairly well, But I think it was with Laser Diode jammers, not LED. Be worth a shot, but I would try and get it tested after install before giving a lot of faith in the set up.
^ Actually, the past Blinder products are also capable of being mounted in a vertical orientation - and yep, Blinders are LED-based.

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As I understand it all heads are capable of being mounted vertically AS LONG AS they are mounted parallel to the road surface. LED's and LD's send out a circular signal, not a flat one. The easiest way to explain it is to think of mounting a flashlight. You want the lightbeam to be sent out directly in front of it parallel to the road (like a headlight) - not with the lens facing up or down. However, you could turn that same flashlight 360 degrees and it would not effect the beam of light coming out of the flashlight Having said this the grille of the car might effect the way the head works, but that would depend on how narrow the grille spacing is.
Unknown.

What is clear is that the AL G7/G8 (and clone, such as LPP, PASS, LaserStar, etc.) heads do *NOT* perform well when utilized in the vertical plane, and that the Osram SPL PL90_3 diodes do not have such "perfectly circular" output (REF: http://www.radardetector.net/forums/...derations.html).

Furthermore, lens/optics design, forward of the LED and/or laser-diode, may also impact performance.

There's also some worry, too, as to the positioning of the receiving elements.

RE: MEM-TEK's ZR4 review's use of "smaller RJ-11" connector.
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That is worded poorly and is very confusing. There is no "smaller RJ-11". RJ-11 is a standard size. It would be like saying you want to buy shoes and are looking for a smaller size 8. Size 8 is size 8. A 'smaller size 8' would be called a size 7, 6, 5,... Similarly the handset connector is called RJ-14 (which IS smaller than a RJ-11, and I think that's what he was trying to say).
That's what I was trying to say, too.

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I agree with ixlr8, whatever you decide to do, go with two heads, go with 4 heads, whatever brand(s) of shifter you use, I would get your set-up tested. And don't just get it tested once. I would get it tested and then check every couple of months to make sure that the heads did not go out of alignment. This will depend on a lot of things, like road condition, but don't just assume that if you get it tested once that it's good forever. The best jammer in the world will work poorly if it is out of alignment.
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