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Yes, location services will add additional battery drain. However, Google maps can do it without draining my battery, as can other location aware apps. The fact that EL is using location services doesn't give it a pass for high battery drain.



Being snarky doesn't add anything to this conversation.



You're missing the point. I shouldn't 'have' to plug my phone in. The problem at hand is the battery drain, not my phone usage habits. I'd like to see it solved, so I'm contributing.



The problem was that even with the app closed I was getting a high battery drain. So allowing the app to run in the background meant yes, it would connect, but my battery would be gone in about 4 hours from a full charge. I was left with no choice but to exit the app entirely and sometimes even kill it in app management each time I got out of my car, and then open it back up again every time I got back in my car. Got old really fast!

That all said, with 'background alerts' turned off, EL behaves as I would expect it to, with negligible battery drain. The app goes away when I hit the home button, no battery drain, and it flawlessly connected to my RD every time today...incidentally much quicker than it used to (it used to be flaky and slow about connecting) and displayed PSL data without me having to touch the phone or open the app.

Now, I assume with background alerts turned off, I will not receive any of the 'crowdsourced' alerts - the live alerts provided by the EL app - they won't be displayed on my detector unless the app is open in the foreground...? Yellowtang, you mentioned it still passes data through. I understand there's some fundamental differences between the Android and iOS versions. It's fair to assume that means there may also be behavioral differences between the two versions.

I had [--] displayed and PSL data on the detector when I drove, with the app in the background. From your description, that means I should also receive live alerts on my detector. I'll have to go drive by one to see if it's passing it through. I'll check back with an update on that after the weekend.
I think something you're missing is google maps is a one way communication. It pulls data from the satellite and internet shows the results on screen.
EL does all that and also provides full duplex communication with the RD. All that is going to consume more power.
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I think something you're missing is google maps is a one way communication. It pulls data from the satellite and internet shows the results on screen.
EL does all that and also provides full duplex communication with the RD. All that is going to consume more power.
What is it about this that you don't get? I'm not missing anything, I understand what the app is doing. I can have google maps open and be listening to Pandora over a BT connection, and I still don't get anywhere near the battery drain that EL gives. It can be done, if it's coded properly.

My guess is EL is using a poor strategy to do what it does. I'm guessing that it's utilizing the BT connection and location services 100% of the time it's open. A better strategy would be to cache map data maybe once a day for the area (or use google map's existing data cache, if there's an API for that), and cache live alert data more often...pulling an update from Escort's servers maybe every 60 seconds. Access location services and bt once a second for an update, suspending its processes in-between. If, for example, it takes 100ms to grab an update from location services, and another 100ms to push an update to the RD over bt, then the processes can be suspended for the remaining 800ms. That's ~80% less battery usage, right there. Most location apps use a strategy similar to this. But who am I to say? I don't specifically know Android coding.

It doesn't matter. The app is broken. Period. Yet you continue to accept and defend its abhorrent battery consumption and misbehavior.
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Something changed and now it won't display PSL data on the detector unless I have the app running in the foreground AND keep my phone's screen on. If I turn off the screen, PSL data goes away, and presumably any live alerts as well. Same thing happens now when I put EL in the background.

I guess this app is determined to drain the battery one way or another.

I tried clearing data, uninstalling and re-installing, unpairing and re-pairing the RD to my phone, but the behavior is consistent. Also, connection from EL to the RD has become flaky again. Most of the time I need to open EL and manually initiate the connection.

Having to keep my phone's screen on with EL running in the foreground is a deal breaker for me. I can't imagine how distracting it would be at night to drive with my phone's screen on at all times. In the meantime, I'll uninstall it and leave a one-star review on the playstore. Too bad, it was a good idea. Let me know when you get it fixed.

If it helps, my phone is a Motorola MotoX 2nd gen, running stock Android 5.1. It's an AT&T phone on Cricket. The RD's firmware is up to date.

Also, Escort, if you're reading these posts, please move the ambient light sensor to the horn end of the radar detector...it only makes sense. With it mounted at the top of my windshield, the display end is underneath the roof. It thinks it's dark all the time and turns my display to minimum brightness even in broad daylight making it impossible to see, especially while wearing sunglasses. I have set it to medium brightness...hopefully it's not blinding me at night.

So...EL is unusable and the ambient light sensor is in the wrong spot rendering it ineffective. It sure would be nice to be able to use these features I paid for. $500 is premium pricing, I expect a premium product. I could've bought a cheaper radar detector.

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So...EL is unusable and the ambient light sensor is in the wrong spot rendering it ineffective..
You sure do complaint a lot! As for the comment above would you buy a Corvette and tell Chevy their car is '1-Star' because it got stuck when off roading? (I really hope you don't say yes to that). Their sensor works perfectly, my 360 was mounted on the windshield and it adjusted perfectly throughout the day/night. That being said I moved it to the blendmount when the updated adapter arrived, and it does not adjust.....but I am NOT using the RD as designed. They did not design nor ship it with a blend mount. As with any product they can not anticipate how people are going to modify their product and therefore can not create a solution to make everyone happy. Most people run the RD on the windshield, a lot don't shell out the extra $100 for the blendmount. Their sensor works perfectly as designed to be used with what it is shipped with.
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You sure do complaint a lot! As for the comment above would you buy a Corvette and tell Chevy their car is '1-Star' because it got stuck when off roading? (I really hope you don't say yes to that). Their sensor works perfectly, my 360 was mounted on the windshield and it adjusted perfectly throughout the day/night. That being said I moved it to the blendmount when the updated adapter arrived, and it does not adjust.....but I am NOT using the RD as designed. They did not design nor ship it with a blend mount. As with any product they can not anticipate how people are going to modify their product and therefore can not create a solution to make everyone happy. Most people run the RD on the windshield, a lot don't shell out the extra $100 for the blendmount. Their sensor works perfectly as designed to be used with what it is shipped with.
I'm sorry if I'm complaining a lot.

Absolutely I would call a Corvette one star if it didn't do what Chevy claimed it would do. Of course I would not expect it to go off-roading. Escort has EL plastered all over the website as a selling point, and also touts the ambient light sensor as a feature.

My RD is attached to the windshield with the provided stickycup. I can't imagine that Escort wouldn't anticipate people mounting it at the top of their windshield as opposed to the bottom. If I mounted it at the bottom, the ALS would work fine. But I want it up out of my line of sight. For reference, here's a photo of how mine is mounted:

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You can clearly see the front of the RD is situated under the roofline and not in direct sunlight. You can also clearly see that it's not a modified installation. I'm responsible and intelligent enough to understand that if I'm not using something in its intended way, then I shouldn't expect the intended results. I'm also intelligent enough to be able to see a design flaw. It was clearly there with the Max's mount, and it's clearly there with the ALS placement and the EL app. All they have to do is move the ALS to the horn end, it's common sense and plain to see. This wasn't well thought out and/or thoroughly tested before going into production.

I'm simply calling it as I see it, and I don't think I'm wrong for doing so. I'm expressing my disappointment and trying to hold Escort accountable. Hopefully they'll consider my comments and consider making design changes to the next generation of detectors. Why wouldn't they want to continue to improve on their products based on feedback from the customers who are using them on a daily basis?

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I'm sorry if I'm complaining a lot.

I'm simply calling it as I see it, and I don't think I'm wrong for doing so.
But you are as you are not following their directions....

Place on center of windshield between driver and
passenger.
Ensure clear view of road ahead and sky above.
Avoid windshield wipers and heavily tinted areas

If it said place "anywhere" on the windshield you would be 100% in your right to complain it does not work. You are wanting to do something that is not advised in the instructions and complaining about it (Corvette offroad).

Big deal, you have to press a small button a couple times a day. Is this really going to be the end of your life? People in society are so lazy these days and expect everything to be perfect just for them, yet want to put forth minimal effort. Who knows, maybe in future versions they 'might' move it, but for now I think your like will go on without too much drama, I hope!
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Escort, what exactly does that setting do?
If you disable background updates then the app will no longer update while it is in the background.
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But you are as you are not following their directions....
And Antennagate was the fault of all those iPhone users. Please. You're being ridiculous. There's no point in continuing this.
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If you disable background updates then the app will no longer update while it is in the background.
Thank you for the information. That means it will only pass PSL and Live Alerts to the RD when it's the foreground app, correct?

Any idea why data stops when my screen is off? I could use some help.

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Big deal, you have to press a small button a couple times a day. Is this really going to be the end of your life? People in society are so lazy these days and expect everything to be perfect just for them, yet want to put forth minimal effort. Who knows, maybe in future versions they 'might' move it, but for now I think your like will go on without too much drama, I hope!
This isn't about me. I'm sorry if it came off that way.

I'm not some lazy entitled millennial who's going to die if things aren't my way. I'm an ASE master auto technician in my mid-40's that repairs and maintains the forefront of technology in modern vehicles every day. I've see what works and what doesn't over the years, and I've paid attention to how it's evolved, along with our everyday technology. Engineers have been doing tech long enough now that they've figured out how to leverage it with confidence. I'd like to see the other areas of the technology world to catch up. (cell phones, tablets smart homes, etc)

I'm a firm believer in smart design in our technology. It makes the difference between a bad experience and a good one. We hear people cuss about technology every day, and I assert that the problem is not the technology, it's how it's implemented. Hardware advancement is going into a plateau so what will set products apart are how well they integrate into our lives. It takes smart strategies to make this integration as seamless and convenient as possible, and I saw Escort do it with adding GPS to their radar detectors.

That use of technology was damn smart and well implemented. It's what got me to buy an Escort, if for nothing else than out of pure respect. After that, it just kills me to see the ALS placed where it is, over at least two hardware generations. So close. A very simple, thoughtful and inexpensive design change would make the ALS perform better, more consistently, across more usage scenarios. I understand we're still learning, but I'm impatient...we're so close to that cool future tech movie.

I guess I'm just a little passionate about this sort of stuff. I apologize if I came off the wrong way.

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