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We have the undisputed raw radar detection range champion, RedLine. So who should step up their game?

The Redline is a great detector, But i would think its naive to assume that no one else can duplicate or even surpass this detector's features and performance. Its a hard feat to accomplish, But its very plausible.
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Its funny I have all the top dog radar detectors but rarely use the V1 or Redline. The GPS lockouts on the Max and 9500ix are the best feature ever developed for a RD. I have a low tolerance for constant falsing which is what happens in my area without GPS lockouts.
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Its funny I have all the top dog radar detectors but rarely use the V1 or Redline. The GPS lockouts on the Max and 9500ix are the best feature ever developed for a RD. I have a low tolerance for constant falsing which is what happens in my area without GPS lockouts.
I agree on the Max I DESPISE the 9500IX, it is SLOW, LETHARGIC, and SLUGGISH. The Max is what the 9500IX should have been. Max AKA 9600IX
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REMINDER, this is an Escort Inc sponsored forum. Post competitors product speculation on their forum.

We have the undisputed raw radar detection range champion, RedLine. So who should step up their game?
This isn't product speculation, I was referring to a patent filed by Valentine.

Why was the link removed to radardetectorforum.org and why was I sent a warning regarding this? As far as I can tell this link did not violate any terms of service.

How long did it take Escort to get that "undisputed raw radar detection range" with a segmented Redline? A few days? Weeks? Months? 5 years (almost half a decade). It took a very long time for Escort to finally listen to what their customers were asking to offer a fairly simple firmware update. Even after many very knowledgeable "backyard testers" and "armchair engineers" were asking for it over and over and over again.

To say that the Redline has undisputed raw radar detection range is an inaccurate statement. It implies it is always this, which it is not. Other radar detectors have shown to surpass the stock Redline. Its when you segment a Redline is when it really shines. Even when segmented though, at times the Redline is bested by one radar detector in particular.

When I said step up your game I meant not stagnating in advancing/improving and adapting in a reasonable amount of time. You know, like with "Escort Live" and the firmware update for the Redline for segmentation. Or maybe its adding traffic and Live to the IQ like originally promised. Still have yet to see that DNA thing in the Max, or anyone come on here to really explain it. How about that engineers corner where an engineer comes on this forum to explain things like originally promised? Still waiting for the Max to truly understand the signal and naturally filter out falses without using tricks (not real artificial intelligence/signal "DNA" understanding) which comes at a cost like promised. Many here know about he Live debacle and the current state of it. How is the Max performing range wise when stacked up to the competition? Back of the pack or close to it? How was it advertised to us? What were we told by you and others? Let me guess, all it needs a just the right firmware update and "we are working on it".

Valentine does need to step their game up though if they want to reclaim the title of "king of range". You are right in this. Overall the title belongs to the segmented Redline. We will see if this is the case in the future. I honestly want you (Escort) to succeed. This is where I have invested my money (a lot of it) and where I want to purchase my next RD. However, while brand loyalty is important to me, if someone else offers a superior product/service, that is where my money will go. Valentine looks to be improving (by its filed patent) while Escort does not based on my perceptions through your various products and services over a period of time. Maybe Valentine won't do anything wonderful in the near future and Escort will. I do not know. I am just giving you my perception at the moment whether it is accurate or not. I just don't want to see the writing on the wall with Escort. Other knowledgeable people share my thinking/perceptions.

Back on topic..... I want to see both Escort and Valentine succeed. That would be good for all of us. Im not sure if Mononomy is the right one for the job but that is now water under the bridge. Hopefully things turn out for the best.
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Well said txbearsfan81, You hit a lot of valid points.
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Its funny I have all the top dog radar detectors but rarely use the V1 or Redline. The GPS lockouts on the Max and 9500ix are the best feature ever developed for a RD. I have a low tolerance for constant falsing which is what happens in my area without GPS lockouts.

That is it right there.......you hit the nail on the head. This is the single best ever improvement ever made.......GPS false alert filtering.

Sorry Bears fan guy, I fell asleep after line 8. V1 & Escort are the two best. They both have issues as company's. Who wants to move foreword is the 10 million dollar question I guess.
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That is it right there.......you hit the nail on the head. This is the single best ever improvement ever made.......GPS false alert filtering.

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I also agree. At some point, a certain range will be enough and that's when the detectors will need more features. This is where the Max comes in. Obviously has a few hiccups that are still being worked out, but if you leave the vacuum world of the forums and read reviews on other sites, the Max is selling like hotcakes and has FAR more positive reviews than this site would imply. I just hope the Escort can refocus and maybe come up with a line refresh of each detector. I do think they have too many detectors though.
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I also agree. At some point, a certain range will be enough and that's when the detectors will need more features. This is where the Max comes in. Obviously has a few hiccups that are still being worked out, but if you leave the vacuum world of the forums and read reviews on other sites, the Max is selling like hotcakes and has FAR more positive reviews than this site would imply. I just hope the Escort can refocus and maybe come up with a line refresh of each detector. I do think they have too many detectors though.
I agree, I also think they have too many detectors. It looks like Escort has about 7 windshield mounts available for sale. It would be nice if they could get rid of 2 or 3 (9500ix, X50 and possibly the IQ which they seem to have fallen off on improving/advancing/supporting it short of map updates) of them and just focus on the remainder. Someone said Escort (a radar detector company) has over 20 products up for sale. I am not sure of how true this is. Overall though, may be to many coals on the fire. Especially for a small company (employee wise) like Escort.

The Passport Max is a good detector (even if poorly constructed - materials) and you are right about it getting good reviews. It has a 3.5 star rating on Amazon which is good. Larry also said that it was the best selling detector ever and that it has already sold more then the total number or Redlines over a 5 year period. This is pretty impressive. Its important to keep in mind that usually people who come on these forums are people who have questions/issues. Just focusing here may make one perceive a widespread problem/dissatisfaction when there is not one. I would like to see updates to the Max. Despite what others (competitors and others) say, I personally believe GPS lockouts are the greatest improvement/feature in radar detectors as well. Now if Escort could just add another rear facing horn and arrows to it.
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The Passport Max is a good detector (even if poorly constructed - materials) and you are right about it getting good reviews. It has a 3.5 star rating on Amazon which is good. Larry also said that it was the best selling detector ever and that it has already sold more then the total number or Redlines over a 5 year period. This is pretty impressive. Its important to keep in mind that usually people who come on these forums are people who have questions/issues. Just focusing here may make one perceive a widespread problem/dissatisfaction when there is not one. I would like to see updates to the Max. Despite what others (competitors and others) say, I personally believe GPS lockouts are the greatest improvement/feature in radar detectors as well. Now if Escort could just add another rear facing horn and arrows to it.
that kind of logic and reason can't be said here! lol
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I wholeheartedly agree with the last several posts. Some very accurate statements and opinions. That being said I was always a Beltronics devotee and since owning the Redline have been impressed with it and think it's perfect for me. It took Escort a long time to get this RD segmented and toggled RDR. The MAX appears to be headed in the right direction but needs a few bugs attended to.

Escort needs to move forward as mentioned. To me the most obvious RD that they could come out with would be a magnesium body not only for stealth but rugged build and true impression of quality. Along with the new body a digital front and rear electronics circuitry, location lockout via GPS and using M3 type horns.

I am very curious to see the future of Escort as I do believe it will continue to set the bar in the radar detector industry.

My 2 cents.

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