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Old January 20th, 2010
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Default New York Governor David Patterson Pushes Speed Cameras

New York Governor David A. Patterson (D) is joining a number of other states in promoting the use of freeway speed cameras as a way to address his state's massive $7.4 billion budget shortfall. Patterson's budget proposal, released yesterday, includes a plan to deploy fifty photo radar vans to generate $96 million in net profit for the general fund by 2012.

"The mistakes of the past -- squandering surpluses, papering over deficits, relying on irresponsible fiscal gimmicks to finance unsustainable spending increases -- have led us to a financial breaking point," Patterson wrote. "There are no more easy answers.... The only way we can emerge from this crisis is through shared sacrifice."

Patterson's budget describes the use of speed cameras on freeways as a "revenue action" that does not constitute a tax increase or a fee increase. His announcement came after that of California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) who earlier this month launched an initiative to use five-hundred cameras to issue tickets worth up to $325 each to generate $398 million in profit, not counting the money split with the private vendor that will run the program.

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New York Governor David A. Patterson (D) is joining a number of other states in promoting the use of freeway speed cameras as a way to address his state's massive $7.4 billion budget shortfall. Patterson's budget proposal, released yesterday, includes a plan to deploy fifty photo radar vans to generate $96 million in net profit for the general fund by 2012.

"The mistakes of the past -- squandering surpluses, papering over deficits, relying on irresponsible fiscal gimmicks to finance unsustainable spending increases -- have led us to a financial breaking point," Patterson wrote. "There are no more easy answers.... The only way we can emerge from this crisis is through shared sacrifice."

Patterson's budget describes the use of speed cameras on freeways as a "revenue action" that does not constitute a tax increase or a fee increase. His announcement came after that of California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) who earlier this month launched an initiative to use five-hundred cameras to issue tickets worth up to $325 each to generate $398 million in profit, not counting the money split with the private vendor that will run the program.

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OK........now that it's popping up in Homey's (my) back yard, let's discuss the issue!

These photo radar vans use a specific type of radar that is ill suited for detection by today's available RD's! Escort can say their M3 detectors are better at picking these up than anyone else, but the fact is, the range is still inadequate due to the basic design of every available Radar Detector today.


These "mobile" photo radar vans use radars that were designed and developed in Britain / Australia for covert, fixed position operation. That means they differ from conventional radar in three ways:
  1. These units have very narrow beamwidths of only 5 degrees.
  2. They are designed to operate with the beam angled (typically 22 degrees) across the road, and in many cases are set up to shoot the vehicle from behind.
  3. They use Radar units manufactured by AGD which are HORIZONTALLY polarized! ALL Radar Detectors use horns that are VERTICALLY polarized which is compatible with all of todays conventional police radars which are either vertically or circularly polarized.
So, can we deal with the fact that these are effectively low powered radars that are angled across traffic as opposed to in line with traffic? I think so, and the fact that they are Constant On sources works to OUR advantage.

However, the biggest problem is the difference in Polarization. Horizontal is NOT compatible with the Vertical Horns in our RDs........hence the P-poor detection we have today. The designer's of these Radar Units seem to have us over a barrel here unless we come up with a cicularly polarized horn for our RDs which can handle all three types of polarization.......vertical, circular and horizontal.

So, you have me convinced that these mobile Radar Vans are a fast growing threat! But I am not convinced yet that you offer any real protection against them. Is Escort working on a better solution?

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OK........now that it's popping up in Homey's (my) back yard, let's discuss the issue!

These photo radar vans use a specific type of radar that is ill suited for detection by today's available RD's! Escort can say their M3 detectors are better at picking these up than anyone else, but the fact is, the range is still inadequate due to the basic design of every available Radar Detector today.


These "mobile" photo radar vans use radars that were designed and developed in Britain / Australia for covert, fixed position operation. That means they differ from conventional radar in three ways:
  1. These units have very narrow beamwidths of only 5 degrees.
  2. They are designed to operate with the beam angled (typically 22 degrees) across the road, and in many cases are set up to shoot the vehicle from behind.
  3. They use Radar units manufactured by AGD which are HORIZONTALLY polarized! ALL Radar Detectors use horns that are VERTICALLY polarized which is compatible with all of todays conventional police radars which are either vertically or circularly polarized.
So, can we deal with the fact that these are effectively low powered radars that are angled across traffic as opposed to in line with traffic? I think so, and the fact that they are Constant On sources works to OUR advantage.

However, the biggest problem is the difference in Polarization. Horizontal is NOT compatible with the Vertical Horns in our RDs........hence the P-poor detection we have today. The designer's of these Radar Units seem to have us over a barrel here unless we come up with a cicularly polarized horn for our RDs which can handle all three types of polarization.......vertical, circular and horizontal.

So, you have me convinced that these mobile Radar Vans are a fast growing threat! But I am not convinced yet that you offer any real protection against them. Is Escort working on a better solution?
If there is no occupant in the van maybe some Jolly Roger will stop and cover the camera lens.
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that explains the constant updates for ny! every week ny is included. just updated today, skipped the last few months. wish i didn't. think i ran a couple of yellow lights and did not have my radar detector, as i was too lazy to update and i would rather not carry/use my detector in some sections of nyc.
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I think it's ok if you missed an update. When you get to it I believe it does a full update including any you may have missed
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OK........now that it's popping up in Homey's (my) back yard, let's discuss the issue!

These photo radar vans use a specific type of radar that is ill suited for detection by today's available RD's! Escort can say their M3 detectors are better at picking these up than anyone else, but the fact is, the range is still inadequate due to the basic design of every available Radar Detector today.


These "mobile" photo radar vans use radars that were designed and developed in Britain / Australia for covert, fixed position operation. That means they differ from conventional radar in three ways:
  1. These units have very narrow beamwidths of only 5 degrees.
  2. They are designed to operate with the beam angled (typically 22 degrees) across the road, and in many cases are set up to shoot the vehicle from behind.
  3. They use Radar units manufactured by AGD which are HORIZONTALLY polarized! ALL Radar Detectors use horns that are VERTICALLY polarized which is compatible with all of todays conventional police radars which are either vertically or circularly polarized.
So, can we deal with the fact that these are effectively low powered radars that are angled across traffic as opposed to in line with traffic? I think so, and the fact that they are Constant On sources works to OUR advantage.

However, the biggest problem is the difference in Polarization. Horizontal is NOT compatible with the Vertical Horns in our RDs........hence the P-poor detection we have today. The designer's of these Radar Units seem to have us over a barrel here unless we come up with a cicularly polarized horn for our RDs which can handle all three types of polarization.......vertical, circular and horizontal.

So, you have me convinced that these mobile Radar Vans are a fast growing threat! But I am not convinced yet that you offer any real protection against them. Is Escort working on a better solution?
I know this sounds farfetched, but for those who can afford it, one could run a Redline horizontal AND one vertical at the same time. Just a thought.
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I know this sounds farfetched, but for those who can afford it, one could run a Redline horizontal AND one vertical at the same time. Just a thought.
Vertically mounting a RedLine on the windshield should do better than a horizontal mount but is still not an optimal solution.

Reason being, the windshield becomes more of an obstacle for picking up horizontally polarized signals than what it is for vertically polarized signals! To understand why, first you need a good fundamental grasp on the way horizontally polarized signals propogate compared to veritically polarized signals which is addressed in this post.

http://www.escortradarforum.com/foru...07&postcount=1

Ok........if you read that, now you understand that horizontally polarized radar emissions actually propogate in the vertical plane. This means that a sloped windshield will create phase errors (from top to bottom) in a vertically oriented wave front as it passes through the windshield, thereby lowering the gain of the antenna. In a vertically polarized signal (waves travel in horizontal plane) the attenuation of a sloped windshield is neutral from left to right creating no phase errors.

Sloped windshields are still not good for vertically polarized signals, but thats due more to refraction/deflection of the signal as opposed to phase errors.

That leaves the best solution for picking up horizontally polarized signals to either a horizontally polarized or circular polarized antenna mounted outside the vehicle. The folks in Australia seem to get the best results with a remote STi-R or 9500ci mounted vertically in the grill. In Europe there is a Radar detector called the DSI Stinger which was specifically developed for picking up the horizontally polarized radars like the Multinova. It uses a horizontally polarized patch array antenna mounted in the front of the vehicle.

http://www.radars.com.au/radar_detec...i-computer.php

The best solution for us would be an RD with circularly polarized antenna(s) mounted on the front of the vehicle. These could be either conical horns or patch array antennas. Circularly Polarized antennas are equally adept at receiving both Vertical AND Horizontal signals.
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looks like we wont be needing to worry about David Patterson much longer.
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looks like we wont be needing to worry about David Patterson much longer.
I know......it's a shame isn't it? With his revenue generating plans and tax hikes the State's financial status looked promising. It was only the tax paying residents of the State going Bankrupt!

Sayonara and good riddance!
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Does anyone know if they are going ahead with or already using speed camera's. I would bet they will be testing these in certain locations. I am suspect of a particular location in Rochester.
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