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Old December 25th, 2017
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Exclamation K band BSM filter

I have been a loyal customer for many years, 5 or 6 detectors and now a 9500ci, which was a huge cash layout for me.

However, if you can't get this K band situation under control like other manufacturers have, I am going no choice but to have to start looking elsewhere.

This is ridiculous, if you can segment the Ka-band (a fantastic thing by the way), why can't you put in a Blind Spot Monitoring in a filter that at least cuts down some of the alerts caused from other vehicles. I can't shut of K-band because it is used extensively in my area so my detector is going off every 5 minutes or more. The problem with this is that when you get programmed to hit the mute button every time you get a K-band alert, you are going to miss the one that matters.

Anyone else feel this way?
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Okay, now I am really ****ed. now I found out that this is on the Max Ci. I bout my 9500ci a week before the Max Ci was announced. This was after stalling for several weeks because I assumed something was coming as the Max 360 was out and I figured you guys would make that into a built-in. but the Max had been out for a long time when I bought my truck and there was still no news.

And the best part is that there is no upgrade path except for a trade-in program that I didn't consider fair for a system that was 1 week old.
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The problem is, I'm sure you know that many of these falses are on the same freq as legitimate k band radar. So I blame the moron car manufacturers. Yes it's a huge problem all radar detector manufacturers are up against,

I'd be afraid to segment k band too much, I've seen legit k radar well outside the "normal" range.

I use cruise alert set at 35, auto mode when in town. Escort live mutes under speed limit. Helps some.
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Okay, now I am really ****ed. now I found out that this is on the Max Ci. I bout my 9500ci a week before the Max Ci was announced. This was after stalling for several weeks because I assumed something was coming as the Max 360 was out and I figured you guys would make that into a built-in. but the Max had been out for a long time when I bought my truck and there was still no news.

And the best part is that there is no upgrade path except for a trade-in program that I didn't consider fair for a system that was 1 week old.
I'm not understanding your comments. Why, if you found out that the Max Ci came out a week later, why you didn't return the 9500ci at the time, and opt for the Mac Ci?

Perhaps I'm missing something...

BTW, Escort probably has the best BSM K-band filtering available among ALL of the detector manufacturers. It's just not available for the older designs.
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I'm not understanding your comments. Why, if you found out that the Max Ci came out a week later, why you didn't return the 9500ci at the time, and opt for the Mac Ci?

Perhaps I'm missing something...

BTW, Escort probably has the best BSM K-band filtering available among ALL of the detector manufacturers. It's just not available for the older designs.
It is kind of hard to just return a custom installed, built-in, radar detector. I would have had to pay to have it uninstalled, and even then, I doubt they would have let me return it because it is not like I can say I didn't take it out of the box......

I am confused as to how you can call a brand new detector that I bought less than 6 months ago an "older design" They were able to put Ka segmenting on a 9500xi that I had purchased years ago with a firmware update.
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The problem is, I'm sure you know that many of these falses are on the same freq as legitimate k band radar. So I blame the moron car manufacturers. Yes it's a huge problem all radar detector manufacturers are up against,

I'd be afraid to segment k band too much, I've seen legit k radar well outside the "normal" range.

I use cruise alert set at 35, auto mode when in town. Escort live mutes under speed limit. Helps some.
It is true the BSM transmitters are in the same freq band as K radar, but the specific freqs that each car manufacturer uses should be easy to find and block out. I am sure it is not as easy as that, but there are other brands out there that are getting much better reviews for their BSM filtering. Hell Escort is getting great reviews for BSM filtering on the new line.

I will try those settings, that sounds like it should help. Thanks.
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It is kind of hard to just return a custom installed, built-in, radar detector. I would have had to pay to have it uninstalled, and even then, I doubt they would have let me return it because it is not like I can say I didn't take it out of the box......
Ah, so you had already installed it by then. OK, that clears up my question.

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I am confused as to how you can call a brand new detector that I bought less than 6 months ago an "older design" They were able to put Ka segmenting on a 9500xi that I had purchased years ago with a firmware update.
The 9500ci had been in production since February, 2008, hence my reference to an "older" design. When the Max Ci was introduced in July 2017, Escort discontinued the 9500ci. There were still plenty of them available thru different resellers and online merchants, so they could still be purchased as "new-in-box", but they were still an older design, nevertheless. The same could be said of the original Redline the 9500ix.

You mentioned a 9500xi in your reply, but would you be referring to a 9500ix? I still own one, and it doesn't have Ka segmenting. Escort did release a firmware update for the original Redline that added Ka segmentation. Perhaps you were thinking of the firmware upgrade offered to 9500i owners to bring their detectors up to the same capabilities as the 9500ix? It's not the same thing, of course, and the 9500ix has never had Ka band segmentation.
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It is true the BSM transmitters are in the same freq band as K radar, but the specific freqs that each car manufacturer uses should be easy to find and block out. I am sure it is not as easy as that, but there are other brands out there that are getting much better reviews for their BSM filtering. Hell Escort is getting great reviews for BSM filtering on the new line.
You're correct when you wrote that it is not as easy as that. EscortRadar has spoken about this previously, but I'm not able to locate the exact post. Remember, too, that the specific frequencies (if any) used by the car makers can drift, owing to temperatures and time. But car makers don't worry about the specific frequencies, anyway. They can use any frequencies in the K-band spectrum. This means that all radar detectors can alert to them.

Some radar-detector manufacturers accomplish reduced BSM alerting by de-sensitizing K-band detection, and that means reduced range on legitimate threats. EscortRadar has said that the company doesn't want to do that. If there are reports that other brands have better BSM filtering, caveat emptor.

Dbrown1111, kindly take into account is that older designs like the 9500ix (the foundation upon which the 9500ci was built) simply may not have what it takes to retro-fit Escort's IVT filtering. The embedded micro-processors were very adequate for that generation of detectors to work with the existing threats, but no detector manufacturer of that era anticipated the BSM/CAS noise that the many car manufacturers have introduced in recent years.

With respect, I appreciate your circumstances. I can't speak for Escort because I'm not not an employee. I'm just another user on the forum who has been entrusted with moderator permissions. Hopefully EscortRadar will be able to comment after the holidays.

Best wishes!
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