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Old March 10th, 2018
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Been very happy with the latest update...I believe you have all but the most aggressive BSM/CAS systems figured out, as my unit has been pretty quiet, even up close on the back of the what used to be the usual offenders...keep up the good work! Earlier this week I had a laser encounter at a spot where no LEO uses Lidar, glanced over on the opposite side of the interstate and saw a car with what looked like a periscope on the roof...guess a mapping image update going on or a self driving car (?), but at least I knew it was in the area with plenty of warning...once past it it quit then again alerted laser I guess from scatter bouncing off other vehicles back towards me...would be nice to know the direction from where the source is even though I know if you get lit up and you're way over the posted limit you're toast...just something to ponder.
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Old March 10th, 2018
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The only way you could make arrows work on a laser alert would be to have a front bumper rear bumper sensor type system. You would only be able to show front or rear, there is no side laser.
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Old March 11th, 2018
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The only way you could make arrows work on a laser alert would be to have a front bumper rear bumper sensor type system. You would only be able to show front or rear, there is no side laser.
I am wondering why ESCORT cannot upgrade to laser arrows.

There is a rear-facing laser light tube on the top-left-rear corner of the 360/360c. If this tube's sensor were segregated in the detection circuit (or adding a second sensor if both front and rear light tubes dump onto the same sensor) it would seem that ESCORT could do the same with laser arrows as it does for radar arrows. I've never gotten an explanation on why this is not possible.

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Old March 11th, 2018
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I am wondering why ESCORT cannot upgrade to laser arrows.

There is a rear-facing laser light tube on the top-left-rear corner of the 360/360c. If this tube's sensor were segregated in the detection circuit (or adding a second sensor if both front and rear light tubes dump onto the same sensor) it would seem that ESCORT could do the same with laser arrows as it does for radar arrows. I've never gotten an explanation on why this is not possible.
Well considering that if you are receiving any laser alert, you've probably already been tagged by an office....what's the point of knowing if it's in front or behind? :-)
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Old March 11th, 2018
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Well considering that if you are receiving any laser alert, you've probably already been tagged by an office....what's the point of knowing if it's in front or behind? :-)
Good question.

It helps to identify the signal and source. If from behind it could be a automatic speed control emission from the onboard electronics of a vehicle so equipped, especially if it just came up on you from an on-ramp (or passing you or you just passed it). Also, it could be a Poliscan speed camera that you are closing in on or one behind you that you just past. They are notoriously leaky, especially when aimed at you from the opposing direction. You can, on occasion, be saved from a Poliscan ticket due to bounceback prior to entering its timing envelope.

I have been able to spot any number of newly installed or moved semi-permanent cameras to report to ESCORT to add to or correct the Defender Database as a result of being able to spot and identify the signal source. I do this primarily with my LI shifters now, but would like the added capability with the detector itself. Also, I've had 2 laser saves over the years with my RD (without shifters) when accelerating into a laser source and being able to back off on the acceleration while not yet attaining ticket speed. While those latter saves are rare, they were real saves.
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Old March 11th, 2018
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I am wondering why ESCORT cannot upgrade to laser arrows.

There is a rear-facing laser light tube on the top-left-rear corner of the 360/360c. If this tube's sensor were segregated in the detection circuit (or adding a second sensor if both front and rear light tubes dump onto the same sensor) it would seem that ESCORT could do the same with laser arrows as it does for radar arrows. I've never gotten an explanation on why this is not possible.
You hit the nail on the head. It would be possible if Escort were to segregate the rear detection sensor. The way the Max360's rear sensor is designed, it drops right down into the top of the very same laser sensor that detects laser from the front. As such, the single laser sensor only detects the presence of laser or no laser, hence the lack of directional info. If Escort had created a secondary laser sensor for the rear sensor to connect to the same way we have a second rear facing radar horn, yes we'd have directional information for laser too. So it's possible, but the Max360 was not designed this way.

Now that said, it could certainly be argued that rear laser detection is even less useful than front laser detection since you'll often have a whole car back behind you with headrests and so on blocking the rear signal. Laser detection is of limited value in the first place and rear detection is more challenging than front detection, but that's another story.
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Old March 12th, 2018
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Appreciate the schooling...love my 360 with the latest update...just not ready to invest the funds required to get into the laser shifting realm yet, maybe one day soon, but with so few Lidar encounters in my neck of the woods I can't justify the outlay, plus I normally don't drive that aggressive anyway (well mostly)...fly low, beat the radar!
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Now that said, it could certainly be argued that rear laser detection is even less useful than front laser detection since you'll often have a whole car back behind you with headrests and so on blocking the rear signal. Laser detection is of limited value in the first place and rear detection is more challenging than front detection, but that's another story.

I'd wholeheartedly agree that, with one carve-out.

For Poliscan Speed Cameras I have had numerous rear hits (including on the 9500ix) when they nailed me from the rear with their multiple beams which seem to penetrate the cabin quite well (as opposed to handheld laser). On multilane roads Poliscans can be hard to spot depending on which lane you are in as you try to look both in front, and in your rearview mirror as all 4 arrows are flashing, with other traffic surrounding you and obstructing your vision (but not the Poliscan's vision). Some counties do a pretty good job of hiding them with bushes and other obstructions.

If I had a directional arrow I could tell if I were getting bounce back from the front cars as I was approaching its timing envelope (with time to decelerate),or if it was a rear shot that was lighting me up (and it is too late to decelerate). With laser arrows I could concentrate on looking solely in front, or behind in the rearview mirror to identify its location. And, it would seem fairly simple to just add one sensor to the circuit and make for an additional marketing opportunity . . . "laser arrows". It would also help with identifying adaptive cruise control/collision avoidance coming up from the rear which also tends to penetrate the cabin fairly well. Just one more tool to help out if one does not have shifters in the vehicle they are currently driving.

The addition of laser-guided self driving cars is another whole story waiting to be told.

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