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Old February 13th, 2020
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Sorry to hear about the ticket. Going to be following this topic, for sure. Is the public still allowed to ask ..can I see the radar?... I have done that years ago before I got older and wiser and dont speed anymore. I probably wouldn't have asked till after he wrote the ticket, just make sure it was written for 5 over not 16.

I live near Elmhurst Ill. They clock on North ave with K band and i/o that bad boy. Same with Bellwood IL. If Im not paying attention, Max will grey the K band out and I wont catch it if they are clocking down the road.

Sorry to ramble. Let us know what happens plz. Thanks
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Old February 13th, 2020
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So, interesting update in case anyone is following:

Im still suspicious the cop that "got me" didn't actually use a radar gun. I have an informal hearing next wed, and in prep I went to the station to get any kind of evidence or proof that any of this was on the up and up. My GF (who is a fresh attorney) was with me. As mentioned before, this ain't my first rodeo, but having a lawyers touch and just the lingo to use seems like a plus for me, so she's sort of coaching me going into this - its probably obvious she would tell me to be ready for them to be dismissive and outright lie to me.

I went in asking for a record of my mark or any kind of evidence they had that would show me speeding, as well as any evidence of calibration. The Lt proceeded to explain how their guns are not calibrated and that they do a "self test" upon being turn on and off - thats it. Flag #1. I said o...kaay, well how about any kind of record existing that any kind of equipment your department has was used around that time on me? He tells me no, no there is nothing that records. So I said "well what does he present in court as proof" mr lt. looks at me as if I just insulted him and says "integrity. the officers integrity." I told him ok, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't more detail and that I wasn't missing anything, shook his hand and left.

My lawyer GF was, with restraint, irritated with herself for not recording the conversation because she seems to feel that guys basically admitted there really is no proof.

Any one have any advice? Escort staff, have you heard of this or run into this? Surly you guys must have seen police departments behaving badly over all the time you've been in biz, what do people do when they face a cop willing to lie in court?

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Sorry to hear about the ticket. Going to be following this topic, for sure. Is the public still allowed to ask ..can I see the radar?... I have done that years ago before I got older and wiser and dont speed anymore. I probably wouldn't have asked till after he wrote the ticket, just make sure it was written for 5 over not 16.

I live near Elmhurst Ill. They clock on North ave with K band and i/o that bad boy. Same with Bellwood IL. If Im not paying attention, Max will grey the K band out and I wont catch it if they are clocking down the road.

Sorry to ramble. Let us know what happens plz. Thanks
Afaik the public is indeed allowed to ask about the radar equipment. But the cops and the staff can be as obstructive and deflective as they feel they can get away with. And yes, I'm asking well after the fact - would never ask at the side of the road lol. And your max greys K band out just normally? I have my K and Ka bands on, my brain is set to run a situational awareness check if I get K alerts, but Ka alerts my brain is set to brake first and ask questions later. We don't really get K band around here, but I don't rely on that. This guy didn't use K or Ka band though - my detector did not alert whatsoever, that is 100% confirmed. Now Im getting strange word from the police department... no records of radar use, no calibrations... hmm


(ps Even if I do end up paying the ticket and get the points and everything, its worth the experience of going thru this for the next time. )
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Old February 13th, 2020
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Oh yeah, just another thing to mention, my gf/attorney kind of coached me on what to say, what would happen when I talked to the Lt. officer. He did pretty much what she said he would, trying to confuse me and lead me down a path of discussion away from my question. I'm a nice guy but she can be a little feisty lol and as SOON as this officer started even sounding like he was BSing me, she was starting to chime in. After she chimed in like 3x, the officer snapped at her and was like "I'm going to speak with the person that got the citation" like a cop would if they were out in the field with a belligerent bystander - but we're just in the hall way at the station.

Anyway, I finished the convo and got the answers my GF wanted me to get, but I found it very interesting the cop got so defensive when she used a couple key words. Not saying I'm taking that as me being onto something, but its definitely interesting he was so salty for no reason. We were just having a civil convo, not arguing and not heated, yet he still snapped. Curious.
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Old February 14th, 2020
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Cop getting ****y when someone begins to question them about their god complex
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Old February 17th, 2020
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Thanks for the update. I know one time it auto learned the area for a store and a cop just happen to be sitting down the road. The other time I cant be sure. Im going to guess maybe that it got a strong K band hit and thought it was a store or Honda CRV and greyed it out... I really dont know.

Im going to guess he didn't want to be challenged to a certain point. At least he was open to answering your questions.
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Old February 18th, 2020
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Thanks for the update. I know one time it auto learned the area for a store and a cop just happen to be sitting down the road. The other time I cant be sure. Im going to guess maybe that it got a strong K band hit and thought it was a store or Honda CRV and greyed it out... I really dont know.

Im going to guess he didn't want to be challenged to a certain point. At least he was open to answering your questions.
I have been concerned in the past about a cop sitting in a spot that my detector would have auto-learned to ignore, but as far as I'm aware, thats pretty unlikely given the fact that a slightly different signal freq from the cops radar should still be detected even in the original freq is ignored (or I'm I mistaken?) In any case, yes when I glared at my unbeeping detector, I really expected something like you suggested: a greyed out K band hit or something weird like that. But no, this was 100% without doubt an 'on and ready detector on with no signaling at all' situation. Was mentioning before, theres a highly unlikely chance they used an X band (which I had set to ignore) but just talking with the LT. cop, the way he described the systems "self calibration and self test" [which I also want to look into, how the hell can get never calibrate a radar gun and be legal???] sound very very unlikely to be an old X system (add to that, I think I read multiple places that only a few random precincts lik one in NJ or something still uses X band lol) so, idk.

Anyway I was hoping this would be concluded this coming wednesday, buuut I have to suddenly be out of town so I gotta push it back. arg.
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K instant on is a real possibility. If you are facing K band Instant on in your area I believe I'd turn TSR off. TSR can present a small delay. It is very helpful in helping to filter sometimes, but if you can't use it, you just can't use it. Still, the IVT will help with filtering without the delay present that you get with TSR. Do you run with TSR enabled?
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Old March 10th, 2020
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K instant on is a real possibility. If you are facing K band Instant on in your area I believe I'd turn TSR off. TSR can present a small delay. It is very helpful in helping to filter sometimes, but if you can't use it, you just can't use it. Still, the IVT will help with filtering without the delay present that you get with TSR. Do you run with TSR enabled?
Well, yes I do run with TSR on, its the main reason I upgraded from my 9500ix, that thing was going off constantly from blind spot monitoring cars (a number of different hondas and the Pacifica were huge offenders, it got to the point where if my K band went off I would search for the Pacifica or CRV before I looked for a cop)

Is it possible for a K gun with instant on to hit me, clock a reading, and then be off before this "small delay" is passed?

I'd like to know what amount of time we're talking when you say "small delay" and compare that do how fast the instant on K guns can shoot, retrieve a reading, and be off again.

...because frankly if I can't have TSR on I'm going to have to go back to slamming my brakes constantly. Which is where I was with my 9500ix. Which makes me wonder why I bought a max360 with TSR in the first place...
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Well, yes I do run with TSR on, its the main reason I upgraded from my 9500ix, that thing was going off constantly from blind spot monitoring cars (a number of different hondas and the Pacifica were huge offenders, it got to the point where if my K band went off I would search for the Pacifica or CRV before I looked for a cop)

Is it possible for a K gun with instant on to hit me, clock a reading, and then be off before this "small delay" is passed?

I'd like to know what amount of time we're talking when you say "small delay" and compare that do how fast the instant on K guns can shoot, retrieve a reading, and be off again.

...because frankly if I can't have TSR on I'm going to have to go back to slamming my brakes constantly. Which is where I was with my 9500ix. Which makes me wonder why I bought a max360 with TSR in the first place...

Sometimes you have to take a small risk in order to keep your sanity. lol The delay on TSR I believe is only half a second, so it would not be an issue. Unless they were using K band quick trigger shots in very quick bursts you should be ok.

I wouldn't worry too much. I would keep TSR on. I would also run in auto mode for your sensitivity setting. You should not have that many issues with false alerts.
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Well, yes I do run with TSR on, its the main reason I upgraded from my 9500ix, that thing was going off constantly from blind spot monitoring cars (a number of different hondas and the Pacifica were huge offenders, it got to the point where if my K band went off I would search for the Pacifica or CRV before I looked for a cop)

Is it possible for a K gun with instant on to hit me, clock a reading, and then be off before this "small delay" is passed?

I'd like to know what amount of time we're talking when you say "small delay" and compare that do how fast the instant on K guns can shoot, retrieve a reading, and be off again.

...because frankly if I can't have TSR on I'm going to have to go back to slamming my brakes constantly. Which is where I was with my 9500ix. Which makes me wonder why I bought a max360 with TSR in the first place...
TSR was never intended to be a BSM or CAS filter, people have tried running it to add an extra delay which does help quiet a detector. It is intended to filter out traffic monitor devices. With the latest firmware the Max line does very well at filtering K band. If you search google for reviews on sites I cant link here you will see the Max 360 and 360c are are top 2 or 3 in K band filtering.
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