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Old May 19th, 2017
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Default Very very early Max360Ci impressions:

Here's some very early impressions of my Max360Ci install. Note that it's still very early on in the process, and I've had the car for barely 24hrs, and it's still the work week, so not a lot of time to do any formal testing or even in-depth experiences. I will follow up as I have more time, but I've received a lot of PM's asking for any info I have, so here it is.

I've attached some photos of the front, rear, and display. Apologies for the quick pictures. Basically, only the laser heads are visible. The radar antennas are hidden behind the bumper on the front and rear.


Initial Overall Impressions:

If you love the Max360 display/interface, you will be right at home here. The Max360Ci is best summed up as the user interface of a Max360 combined with the radar performance and stealth of having a 9500ci front+rear or better. Voice alerts are very clear and the voice is very familiar.

Oh yeah, one cool perk: When shooting with Laser, arrows do light up! I can confirm, the front or rear arrow does light up, along with the screen saying "Front Shifting" / "Rear Shifting"

Initial Radar Impressions

I've only had one 34.7 encounter so far. It was on CA-17 around a curve, and cop was driving on the opposite side (we were both going 50mph+), and a 5 ft concrete barrier sits between us. Got over 5 seconds of front warning before the cop came around the corner, which is quite good at 100mph closing speed. Arrows flipped right away when he passed.

On K band, testing in Highway+TSR mode against known door openers, the alert radius is very similar to when I had Stinger VIP, and much much better than the V1 mounted up high.

BSM filtering is good so far, but too soon to tell. Passed numerous Mercedes, Subaru, Honda, Audi, Kia vehicles with blind spot lights in their mirrors. So far, only noted BSM false is the Acura system, which plagues almost every RD on the market. I'd say it's comparable to V1 TMF2 at the moment, and is definitely better than the Max/Max2/Max360 predecessors. Again, I need more time here. It's only been an hour or so of driving experience.

Laser:

Not tested yet. I only quickly fired a Truspeed Sxb forward and back to ensure the system alerts. I plan on testing more in depth this weekend. Two notes:
- Sensitivity seems to be closer to the ALP side of the spectrum. I can fire my gun towards a wall and get alerts from the system. Note that Stinger VIP takes an opposite approach, and cannot be triggered except by direct shot. This doesn't directly translate to jamming performance, so please take this as just something informational.
- The system says "Shifting" when at a standstill, but based off my experience and RALETC's reports, the system isn't actually firing. I don't know what happens if you lose GPS in a tunnel either Escort will have to comment on that or I'll attempt to test in a parking structure.


Nitpicks so far:
- The laser shifters are infinite jam with kill switch. Double-pressing MUTE will switch to receive-only, but by default unless you press anything, it seems like the system jams forever. I agree with the jammer community that the default behavior should be a limited-time jam followed by a long (minute or so) lockout, with an advanced testing option for infinite-jam. I hope Escort reconsiders, as having infinite jamming with an effective jammer draws a lot of bad attention. My installer explicitly walked me through how to kill the shifters. Kudos to the installer I hope this is part of Escort's training materials.
- The screen and arrows do wash out in direct sunlight. When installing the display, do consider whether or not it's in direct sunlight. I may have to ask my installer to move the screen, as my initial position makes the screen not very visible when driving with the sun to my side. I'll take some pics later.
- USB updates can be a little finicky. You have to connect the USB cable to a computer while the system is unpowered. If the system is powered on, connecting USB doesn't do anything. This is problematic in a Tesla, where the car automatically gives accessory power as soon as you open the door. Fortunately, Tesla's car menus has a Settings -> Power Off option for turning off the car.


The bad news / ongoing problem :

Unfortunately, not everything is peachy right now. I get blips of 35.842 falses from the front antenna. I am still working with Escort on this, but the most likely theory is that this is interference with Tesla's Autopilot radar. Even though Autopilot operates on 76-77GHz, the antennas may be close enough that there's interference or overdriving.

I want to stress that it's not time yet to bring out the pitchforks. Escort is actively working with the shop and the shop is actively working with me on troubleshooting this. Within 2 hours we had some input from a tech. 12 hours later, engineering had some advice. Both Larry and Escort tech support have been responsive, and we have an action plan involving another Max360Ci system being sent so we can test moving the antenna or swapping it. I will keep everyone updated on this situation, but for now, I'd like to thank my installers, Lotts' Auto Stereo, for being on top of it. I remain optimistic that we can find a solution here.



Well, that's it for now. Happy Friday, everyone!
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Great write up so far. Now onto the juicy parts after you get enough time to test, such as:

1. Does it consistently beat all other radar detectors (RDs - both installed and window mounted) in detecting radar by a largest margin/distance?
2. Does it consistently beat all other RDs (installed and window mounted) with reducing/eliminating BSMs and false alerts by a large margin?
3. Does it alert to all laser guns?
4. Does it jam all laser guns?

I and many others look forward to this coming Monday (possibly sooner) after you perform a thorough run through and test of this unit.
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Any issues with "check rcvr wiring" messages?
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Any issues with "check rcvr wiring" messages?
No faults on my car.
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Thanks for the writeup so far
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I did some quick LIDAR testing against Truspeed Sxb. Unfortunately I had to cut my time short as the testing ended up drawing some undue attention.

Overall results:

[Edit: see newer posts, testing was invalid because of slowing below 25mph]

Front: Solid until ~100ft, PT's at 111, 121
Rear: IPT, maybe 2 seconds of jamming at best

Other Notes:
As RALETC mentioned, this system has some sort of protection where it stops jamming at slow/zero speeds. It interfered with my testing runs at first, as I usually shoot rear and then have the car U-turn and then shoot the front. Doing this, the front was IPT, but it turns out not only does the system stop jamming at standstill, it also will continue to remain in receive-only mode until the alert goes away for a while.

It seems like the screen says "F/R Laser" when receiving, and F/R Shifting when jamming.

I ended up allowing the car to come up to speed before starting to shoot, and doing rear vs front runs separately. But no matter what I did, I wasn't able to get the rears shifting well.

I'm gonna let my shop know and bring down a laser gun to try with them, but I wonder if the rear heads are too close together, or if a slight recess (the rear flat sides are maybe 1mm recessed from the chrome trim) is the culprit. Or maybe there's a configuration or hardware issue... But either way, warrants more investigation since the front jams fairly well compared to anything non-ALP I've tested, but the rear so far is as if nothing's there.


But so far, the front is pretty solid but the rear is the opposite. To test effectively, I think we will need some more documentation about how the GPS interactions work.

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More testing to come tomorrow in more real-world scenarios as well as radar....


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Thanks Jdong for your bleeding edge adoption style, Looking forward to reading the rest of your results and updates here and at rdf when you get back
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I can't believe those bone heads at RDF banned you. I hope you never go back. Post your reviews on other forums that don't throw out the most useful guy on the board.
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Let's leave RDF at RDF, I don't think it's productive to talk about that here! I've always been involved in this hobby (and spent maybe $15-20k USD at this point) for fun, and never to harm anyone. I'm not confrontational or argumentative, and I'd rather put things behind me rather than dwell on them. Let's talk about Max360Ci again: I wanna make one thread to talk about this system without it derailing into something else.

I just drove around a mix of heavy city traffic and freeway for 80 miles. Apart from my Ka falsing issue, I'm quite impressed with the radar side.

As far as range: 3 34.7 encounters. 2 were opposite-direction in moderate traffic, 70mph opposing speeds, 1.5 to 2 miles of range. That's definitely BS/RDR M3 territory. But as I said, more official testing against the M3 will come tomorrow! The third one was marvelous:

I was going 85 in a 65 when I got a rear Ka alert that quickly ramped to 3 bars. I knew from using a V1 for a decade that this meant a cop got on the freeway behind me. Slowed down to 65, and waited. And waited. Eventually I saw a fast-weaving SUV 10 cars behind me and knew that must be the cop. He drove beside me for a little, and then got off the freeway in front of me. The arrows flipped precisely on time, as good as the V1's.


In the BSM department: I didn't encounter any Acuras (there was one at 5 car distances, too far away to be relevant), but I did encounter 2 new Impalas, a new Malibu, and a few XTS taxi sedans, all with BSM lights. This 80 mile trip, I had zero BSM falses. I am cautiously optimistic: So far this is one of the best BSM-filtering detectors I've tested, and it's also not deaf to K-band. I will do my best to determine if this is absolutely superior to the leaders, but what's already clear is that this is a very very usable detector in BSM-ridden areas. A completely different beast than the STI-R+ antenna or the Redline.


As I mentioned before, tomorrow, there will be a re-test of laser at highway speeds as well as some 34.7 comparisons in the Stew Zone.


P.S. Still seeing my 35.852 falsing issue, unfortunately. I find that when it's falsing, if I reboot the system, the false alerts go away for longer. My current theory is that the interference is from my Autopilot radar but only when it's in certain modes. And the MaxCi seems to have a similar to Max/Max2/Max360 behavior of ignoring signals that are present at startup.

I am crossing my fingers for a fix to this. Honestly just notching out 35.852 would make me a happy camper. It's a fancy digital antenna, that ought to be possible at minimum.

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