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Old March 11th, 2020
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Right. Technically TSR should not be needed because of the new IVT filter that’s being used by the Max detectors. TSR can only act as a tool to reduce it even more. It was a tool that we used more so years ago before IVT was released. And as you said TSR wasn’t even designed for today’s K band noise.
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Just an update, they pushed my court date back to "sometime in may" due to the coronavirus shutting court down. Im supposed to be getting a new date mailed some time next week.

I am now running on auto with TSR off for a while just to see how bad it is. So far it hasn't been too bad and when I do get a false, it seems like it dwindles quickly. Needs more road time to feel comfortable, so we'll see.
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Just an update, they pushed my court date back to "sometime in may" due to the coronavirus shutting court down. Im supposed to be getting a new date mailed some time next week.

I am now running on auto with TSR off for a while just to see how bad it is. So far it hasn't been too bad and when I do get a false, it seems like it dwindles quickly. Needs more road time to feel comfortable, so we'll see.
For best filering and less false alerts run it in Auto and TSR ON.
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Interesting case.

Since you say you were doing 60/45 zone and he indicated 61/45 it sounds like too close to just be guesstimating. Yes laser is used at night quit frequently whereas Vascar (visual timing and computation of speed between two measured points) is generally not.

The fact that he indicated mobile radar would seem to discount laser because its not mobile. Could be he just did a POP or quick trigger I/O type hit on K band from behind, and your unit's K filters did not have time to decode. Even if they did, if it were I/O you would not have had time to respond anyway. If you are running default Preferences (Auto Mode/TSR On) this would be even more likely.

I/O is worse than laser as you can defeat laser, but you can't defeat I/O in the hands of a skilled operator.

The two tickets I got over 20 years were both with I/O and I had a radar detector both times but no time to respond. That's where the rabbit comes in. On the other hand if he shot you from behind you would have needed a rabbit both in front and behind to offer some buffer for protection. Also, he could have merely paced you and wrote down radar to simplify matters from his end.
What's this "Rabbit" you speak of?
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Old April 12th, 2020
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What's this "Rabbit" you speak of?
A rabbit is someone ahead of you that is speeding, who in most cases, will draw "fire" from a LEO. Watch the rabbit's tail lights.

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Analyze this specific situation......think about what actually likely occurred here......be reasonable in your expectations of your detector and learn from this encounter.

First consider that all radars have a hold mode that keeps the radar from transmitting until the officer hits a button which activates the transmitter. This function works in both Moving and Stationary modes and while the transmitter is in hold there is no signal to detect, but once activated it takes as little as 1/4 of a second to start transmitting and produce a speed reading. This feature is commonly referred to as Instant On radar here on the forums and there is no defense against this unless you are making good use of rabbits.

Rabbit Definition (commonly referred to as Pointman in military terms):
  1. Another vehicle unwittingly assigned to a position some distance ahead (moving same direction) used to draw enemy fire (Instant On Shots).
  2. A crucial, often hazardous role in the forefront of another car or group of cars traveling in excess of the posted speed limit.
  3. aka.......Sacrificial Lamb

Rabbits are a necessity at all times with the prudent use of a radar detector. The proper following distance needs to adjust with the terrain. On straight flat roads 1 mile or more might be adequate, but with hills and curves you have to tighten that up to 1/4 mile or less to ensure you are within detection range when your rabbit gets plinked.

You also have to consider the quality of your rabbits. A slow moving rabbit is of virtually very little value being unlikely to elicit an Instant On shot from an ambush ahead. On the other hand, a fast moving rabbit (>10 mph of the PSL) is good and >15 mph is even better. Anyone moving >15 over the limit is certainly going to draw attention and get dosed with microwaves.

You can make good time by leap frogging from one rabbit to the next, but it is strongly advised to stay within 10 mph of the PSL when your next rabbit is out of range or when YOU effectively become the new point man.

Considering the scenario you described I would assume that the officer was moving in the opposite direction with his radar in moving mode and the transmitter on hold until the critical moment. You probably did not have a rabbit......or a good rabbit.....in front of you to draw the LEOs fire. In these situations a radar detector (any radar detector) is of very little value and you need to be aware of that.

So I would advise you hang on to that RedLine (it is superior to the X50) and hone your skills a bit more as an RD user.

Good luck!

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What's this "Rabbit" you speak of?
Well it is Easter.......
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Ahhhh...got it. We call those "picks". As in you are driving the speed limit (70) and a car passes you doing 80 - 85. You let him get ahead of you a bit and you him as a "pick".
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Ahhhh...got it. We call those "picks". As in you are driving the speed limit (70) and a car passes you doing 80 - 85. You let him get ahead of you a bit and you him as a "pick".
lol Yup. Whatever you call them we all know they are an important part of driving smarter. Not Smart to push the limit on a open Road by yourself. Trust me I know from experience. lol
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Lol I have always heard them referred to as a rabbit.
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Same here Butcher! Must be a local thing...potatoe potato. Either way, happy motoring!
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