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Old April 2nd, 2016
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Arrow The X70 first impressions week 1

As of yesterday, I have had the X70 one week. I will preface this review or whatever you want to call it with the fact that this X70 replaces a 2005 X50 that was non TSR. The newer X50s were TSR compatible. Mine was not.

A little bit about the X50- it was a good detector overall. Over the last few years (maybe 5 to 6 years), k-band false alerts started increasing with the traffic sensors and vehicle blind spot monitors (BSM). Having K band turned on was essentially worthless. The boy had cried Wolf way too many times for me to care or pay attention.

Here in North Carolina, I have not run into real K band radar in about 3 years but it's still around in NC from what I have read. It's been about maybe 6 years the last time I ran into moving X-band radar from the county sheriff's office. Ka band is primarily used. I typically run into laser maybe once or twice a year at the most- not enough to even consider laser jammers or other expensive laser mitigating gadgets. And there's typically no warning until your zapped so does it really matter? I am in the Raleigh, NC area which is your typical anywhere USA urban setting with strip commercial centers, thoroughfares, interstates and highways, and lots of traffic. 15 years ago and more, shopping center automatic doors used X band. Everything now it seems is using K band in shopping centers and drugstore doors. Traffic sensors emitting K band are all over the place around here and the wretched ever-proliferating BSMs.

Enter the X70. It's a nice improvement . I like it overall. I am not going to spend more than $300-$350 on a radar detector. I don't care if anyone comes out with one that can detect Ka 50 miles away for $700. I'm not going to spend that much because electronics are finicky, and they go obsolete fairly quickly. Here are my comments on the X70.

LIKES-

1) the OLED screen
2) the redesigned spec meter which displays the signal strength and the radar frequency at the same time. The old X50 just displayed the frequency in spec mode.
3) more options to change colors and turn a variety of new setting on and off. I like options to customize.
4) K band filtering finally added to auto mode-finally
5) other filters -TSR, RDR
6) the utilitarian square-shaped flat black box (however it does show finger prints)
7) voice alerts are a nice touch; I have this turned on. Digitized speech has improved over the years so it's a little creepy and less robotic. A "life-like" female voice announces the band before it goes beep beep beep.
8) range seems as good if not better than X50 for 34.7 Ka. I have not encountered another known radar yet.
9) the redesigned expert meter.
10) it is feather lightweight; Who wants to have 16 ounces suction-cupped to your windshield? If you have a window mount malfunction, you'll have a dangerous piece of flying debris. Just my opinion.
11) it's a lot quieter on K band false alerts

DISLIKES-

1) the old detectors (i.e. Passport 4500) had the power outlet on the left side. The old old ones had them on the back left. This was the best location as the cord would run down in between the steering wheel and the center console to the cigarette outlet. The power outlet on the right side is a poor location. The X50 was the same. I think all the current models are like that too. If you mount the detector in the center of the window where there is less window curve so your detector is not pointed too far to the left or to the right, the cord will run down the center console, and in my vehicle, the console is a computer screen. The cord is in the way. Escort- put the effing power outlet back on the left side for Pete's sake! I use the 6 or 8 foot non-coiled escort power cable. The coiled ones would have a lot of pull and tension when attached to the right side outlet.
2) the top buttons are flush. You cannot see what to push when it is mounted unless you lean forward and sit up to see. This problem is compounded into a dangerous situation if the vehicle is moving. Raise the buttons a tad. This includes the power button.
3) I do not like how the unit is powered on. You have to hold the button down for a certain period of time- is it two seconds or three seconds? Or one second? Not a big deal but I often find myself having to do it several times to get the damn thing powered on.
3) I don't use escort live at this time. I do not want to see a grayed-out blue tooth symbol and the car's voltage on the left side of the display window. This is wasted space, and I would rather utilize this space solely for the already hard to see alert display area. Add an option to turn this voltage / Bluetooth area off so that the alert area can utilize this space.
4) not a big deal for me but I'll go ahead and stick it in the dislikes lump- The brightness. The old detectors had multiple brightness settings. This one only has two – high and low. The current high setting really should be the medium setting. Make the high brighter.

WHAT IT DOES WELL-

The K band false alerts from shopping centers and commercial strip centers have been pretty much eliminated with the newer technology. Unless your detector is pointing directly at the door when you turn a corner, this unit is very quiet I would say 99% of the time. If you are passing the shopping center on your left or right you probably will not get bothered with any K false alerts with TSR on in "Auto" mode. If you like these alerts, just change to "Highway" mode.

Next we have TSR. The annoying pulse full blast K band alerts from traffic sensors have been eliminated at least in my testing over the last week. None. I'll go out on a limb here and say it's 100% eliminated. I'm guessing here but with a TSR on there is almost a two second delay it appears before it will alert to a K band signal. Until a better solution is deployed, this works.

AND NOT SO WELL-

There is a slight improvement with minimizing BSM alerts- slight. It appears if you are passing a car with the BSM head on, both of you going in opposite directions, there is little or no K falsing. However if you are traveling in the same direction and nearby (within 100 feet or less), one of two things will happen: you might get a K alert with two signal strength bars for a few seconds or a full blast constant-on K alert. I believe the X70 does a better job than the X50 and is quieter, but you will have some BSMs to punch through to cause an alert. It's better but not eliminated.

Next, I have been getting some strange Ka alerts which I believe are false. I've had about 4 in the last week. With pop off, the old X50 never falsed on Ka. Since I have been unable to identify the source I can't say for certain if they are in fact a false. They were something like 35.5 or maybe 34.5. It definitely was not 34.7. I was running with RDR off and now I have switched that back to the default "ON." Two of these alerts were in shopping center parking lots off the main road- strong Ka signals.

BSM diatribe and other ramblings-

The only thing I can think of to solve this problem is this. If the detector can somehow detect or estimate the distance to the source that "might" band aide fix the problem. For example, if a full blast K alert comes in at 100 feet or less , then the detector would determine that it's likely a false BSM and not alert. I guess the GPS thing in the upper-end models address this by speed- lower speeds equal less alerts. I was behind a Chevy car for about 4 miles with a full blast constant on K alert. We were going between 45 to 55 miles an hour. I was back about 75 feet. In any case this might only be mitigated but never really solved unless you just turn K band off. It may not be worth the stress as Ka seems to be dominant and K may just die off slowly like X band has- in a lot of areas. But that could take a decade, and "millennials" want a fix now.

In conclusion, I like the upgraded X70. For in town driving, I run in auto mode, TSR on, and RDR on. I haven't decided if I want to turn off one of the Ka segments (2). For interstate travel, I will probably run in highway mode with TSR on.

I would like to see Escort go back to the basics and maybe try to make smaller detectors, make them more compact, thinner, smaller, and pocket sized like the detectors of old from the 80s and early 90s. The X70 is just a tad taller and a tad wider than the old 1985 passport. I like the rectangle block look with less geometry. I am not much on curves and aerodynamic slopes and shapes.

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Old April 3rd, 2016
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Great info, thanks for sharing the X70 improvements. I think your dislikes section reads like a marketing lesson on how Escort upsells the other more expensive radar detectors. Make the middle range just uncomfortable enough that you start to think about the cost benefit analysis of just a few more dollars per year.

As far as locating the distance of a radar signal there is no doppler calculation because the detector is only listening. It would have to send a signal and listen for the return of that signal to calculate distance. Like listening to FM radio, how far away is that station you are listening to? No way to tell easily.

Since Escort does not have license to generate signals they *could* integrate with a car's BSM and then listen for the reflecting signal. Cars with BSM and Escort integration would then be able to get exactly what you want, a doppler distance to target and automatic anti-falsing.
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Old April 4th, 2016
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RDR on. TSR on. POP off.

getting quite a few 34.5 and 34.491 ghz alerts - 2 signal strength bars. What's this? My guess it's a radar detector but RDR does not look at that Ka area.

old X50 was quiet on Ka with pop off. This one has had 5 in a week.
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Old April 5th, 2016
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Unfortunately not even NASA can build you a detector that will tell you how far away the source is, your talking star track technology there lol.Escort has a new K band false alert update out right now. I hope if this is a success it will be filtered down to other models.
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Update. Switched kaN2 off and no more 34.4 or 33.5 Ka false alerts. Very quiet- almost.
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TSR on
RDR off
kaN2 off
Auto mode

Handles k traffic sensors 100%. Handles k BSMs about 75-80%. Some false BSM k alerts punch through when still at light or stuck in fast food drive through. When moving, I have gotten very few BSM alerts.

Love the OLED spec mode. Shows frequency and signal strength.
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I guess today makes week 4. No more Ka false alerts after segmenting. The police around here are lazy and drive around with Ka 34.7 ghz C/O. Regarding "instant on" if they use it, they are impatient by hitting the button every five seconds providing plenty of warning.

Range is very good. Ran into 34.7 today on the straightaway. Way plenty of warning. Off-axis is what you would expect with the M4 antenna. You won't get much warning coming in at a 90 degree angle at an intersection . I ran into 34.7 C/O off-axis yesterday with that. But that's OK with my driving style. I'm more interested in direct threats as opposed to indirect threats.

BSMs still punch through occasionally about 1 every 3 days in heavy traffic or drive thru window.

Anybody else have an X70? It's a little boring talking to myself over here.

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I have a X70 I bought earlier this year. I use waze also, so I didn't need the bluetooth capability. With more grocery stores using K band door sensors and some GM SUV's using K band BSM's, I did not want to drop 600 dollars on a fuzzbuster. I would have if we didn't have K band pollution.

I recently did a 6000 mile round trip to Utah with the Escort X70. I ran Auto NOX, TSR ON RDR off and Ka2 OFF. It would occasionally trip on grocery store doors near rest stops, but other than that, quiet, in terms of false alarms. Saved me couple of times on legit Ka Radars. But then I was driving through rural areas where you get cow and pig farms on the side of the freeway.

Initially I thought my X70 was defective, but it seems like it is doing a great job. (I initially got a defective unit, which I returned, but it made me extremely skeptical on the second unit.)

The verdict is, Radar detectors are not that great in urban areas unless you know where the falses are. I turn mine off in urban areas, or won't use it at all. I don't care if you have a 600 dollar one with directional arrows or a entry level X70.

I have also noticed that compared to the latest V1, the laser detection is not that great. I am not sure if the V1 is too sensitive, or of X70 is not as sensitive as it should be. But then only time you get laser save is when you get laser scatter from other vehicles, so it is not that end of the world?
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The only time you're ever going to get a laser save us from laser scanner when they are clocking cars in front of you.
It's just the nature of laser. It's a very small beam that doesn't spread much and they only target cars individually and then pull the trigger.
As everyone says if you are speeding quite a bit above the limit you need laser Jammers to protect you a detector just won't do it. Having said that I won't settle for subpar performance and a laser detector. The V1 is known to have some of the best laser detection out there. I think every detector should strive to have equal laser detection. I have had many saves from detecting laser scatter.
I am in Ohio , and laser is the number one weapon of choice for law enforcement.
I can't stand it when people discount the need for laser detection by saying you're going to get caught anyways. If the detector has excellent sensitivity to laser you have a great likelihood of detecting scatter if you are not the first car going down the road that the officer clocks.
I had Max that had very poor laser detection and I have read lots of comments on the max series not having very good laser and detection. I have not tried an x70.

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Problem is, some vehicles now are using LED headlights and DRL's. They sometimes trigger laser. I was using a borrowed V1 for a month to compare. I've gotten about dozen or so false laser alerts from newer vehicles, but none on X70.

I have also tried an interesting experiment. One of my vehicles uses LED backlighting on the climate control panel. I would hold V1 about 20cm from it and V1 alerts to laser every time. X70, I would have to hold it directly in front of the panel, like 5cm, and won't do it every time.

I agree that being able to pick up scatter is good, only problem is, you make it more sensitive, and you deal with more laser falses, thanks to modern vehicle technology. (This also applies to K band, with Cadillac Escalades using K band BSM's.)

Double edged sword.

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I have a X70 I bought earlier this year. I use waze also, so I didn't need the bluetooth capability. With more grocery stores using K band door sensors and some GM SUV's using K band BSM's, I did not want to drop 600 dollars on a fuzzbuster. I would have if we didn't have K band pollution.

I recently did a 6000 mile round trip to Utah with the Escort X70. I ran Auto NOX, TSR ON RDR off and Ka2 OFF. It would occasionally trip on grocery store doors near rest stops, but other than that, quiet, in terms of false alarms. Saved me couple of times on legit Ka Radars. But then I was driving through rural areas where you get cow and pig farms on the side of the freeway.

Initially I thought my X70 was defective, but it seems like it is doing a great job. (I initially got a defective unit, which I returned, but it made me extremely skeptical on the second unit.)

The verdict is, Radar detectors are not that great in urban areas unless you know where the falses are. I turn mine off in urban areas, or won't use it at all. I don't care if you have a 600 dollar one with directional arrows or a entry level X70.
Our higher priced Max series of detectors include features which automatically learn and eliminate stationary false alerts that you receive in urban areas (door openers, etc) as well as effectively rejecting false alerts from vehicle's blind spot monitors. They are our by far our best selling models precisely because of these abilities. You should try one 30 days risk free
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