Escort Radar Forum  

Go Back   Escort Radar Forum > News > Escort Radar Announcements

Notices

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #31  
Old January 11th, 2017
kasher1979's Avatar
kasher1979 kasher1979 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 771
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Veil Guy View Post
What guy is that?



LOL. Before careful what you wish for.

Seriously. We each have our own experiences, preferences, and priorities, so I certainly respect yours!

Coming from a "guy" who has driven with three (M3) remotes, the Beltronics STiR, the STiR+, the 9500ci, all forms of STi Drivers and Magnums, Redlines pre/post band-seg configs, who discovered the virtues of band-seg'ing with reduced filtering as well as using the V1 over the years as well as the Max 360 my beliefs are:

I wouldn't want a detector to provide as much sensitivity or field-of-view towards the rear as the front.

Valentine, who knows a thing or two about such designs (given the he's invented it and has had the patent on it), V1's rear horn is not as sensitive as the front and it has a more narrow field-of-view toward the rear. I believe this is the proper approach.

In all of my years of driving, rear radar shots as well as approaching rear radar from cruisers (doesn't much apply to me at the rates of travel I go) always happens much closer and more inline.

It's one thing to have great sensitivity towards the front and at least decent off-axis, but those virtues in my opinion become liabilities in the rear. I don't care or want to know about radar behind me that is multi-miles away. It's behind me and likely a source I have already passed. Extreme off-axis detections from far away in the rear as well serve of little value. Couple these two things with the fact that there is now so much rolling RF pollution on the highway, more sensitivity means the greater likelihood of being interfered with from spurious signals farther away as well.

I believe the most important thing today, the most important attribute of any radar detector is not sensitivity or off-axis capabilities, but superior signal rejection while maintaining sensitivity to real radar WHILE the signal rejection is occurring.

If an extremely sensitive radar detector becomes deaf, dumb, and blind while it's detecting false K-band IVT systems, then all of that performance means diddly squat.

The most valuable detectors today to my way of thinking are the ones that excel at that or are working to do that.

The 360 has gotten even better since it was first introduced and I believe it has plenty of sensitivity. Of course the same is true for the V1. Radenso and Whistler are also working towards overcoming these challenges. All good things that must happen.

Without a proper balance, too much sensitivity will work against you, UNLESS it provides the most advanced signal rejection/processing technology.

It looks to me that Escort with these two new units are pursuing both endeavors and that's got to be a good thing.

This sort of technology is constantly changing, and so it's going to be an ongoing battle and Escort is indicating that it is committed to doing just that. That's the right approach.

Let's talk laser for a second. Stay tuned for some new guns that are even more lethal than the ones that are typically discussed and they're coming from at least three vendors. There is so much discussion of the Dragon Eyes, but that is about to change and I am afraid, it's going to get a lot harder to counter and that applies to all jammer mfrs.

A platform that can potentially carry a product's relevance for a decade sounds good to me. It's been about that time since the original introduction of the M3 platform.

So, while there may have been a time that the notion of more (sensitivity) is always better, that no longer holds true today. There's just too much RF pollution out there.

Try driving around LA with two M3s one forward facing and one rear facing. It's not going to be a fun experience, nor do I believe you would get any practical benefits of increased ticket avoidance, perhaps just the opposite. In a remote part of Wyoming or Utah, that all sounds good, but just not about anywhere else.

If you're happy with that setup, that's cool...enjoy your two M3s!

VG

Well I have used this setup as well and as PC said it's great. I am not sure it's needed but I can tell you it is an awesome setup. I had one M3 facing forward and the other facing rear on my mini van and it is nothing short or amazing. Seg that baby RDR off and run KA only and it's a great setup. I would use Redline or something else down in the cab for K band, Auto TSR on. Hard to beat that setup.

Probably about the only thing that could beat that setup would be what is coming Maxci since it'll have the visual arrows and laser in with the more updated technology.
  #32  
Old January 11th, 2017
poolmon poolmon is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,318
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kasher1979 View Post
Oh trust me they'll be people testing it. Lol
I hope so, as with the new price (including a rather extensive install) I did not anticipate a lot of early adopters without first seeing some comparative results.

Last edited by poolmon; January 11th, 2017 at 12:03 PM.
  #33  
Old January 11th, 2017
kasher1979's Avatar
kasher1979 kasher1979 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 771
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by poolmon View Post
I hope so, as with the new price I did not anticipate a lot of early adopters without first seeing some comparative results.
There will be people that will test it against a gun thats probably been used like once or twice in history throughout the world. lol
  #34  
Old January 11th, 2017
Veil Guy's Avatar
Veil Guy Veil Guy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Where I Hang My Hat
Posts: 871
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kasher1979 View Post
Well I have used this setup as well and as PC said it's great. I am not sure it's needed but I can tell you it is an awesome setup. I had one M3 facing forward and the other facing rear on my mini van and it is nothing short or amazing. Seg that baby RDR off and run KA only and it's a great setup. I would use Redline or something else down in the cab for K band, Auto TSR on. Hard to beat that setup.

Probably about the only thing that could beat that setup would be what is coming Maxci since it'll have the visual arrows and laser in with the more updated technology.
There you go. Understood, but that can't fly over here. That setup may be good in states where only Ka and laser exists, but come over to PA, NJ, Ohio and many states east of the Mississippi where K-band is a problem and then K-band would pummel you and is what the whole technology of advanced signal rejection is about, for those that MUST use K-band detection.

Try the same setup with K and X on just for the "fun" of it.

VG
__________________
Experience real-world encounters on the open road, from the pioneer of this bonafide testing format. Visit Veil Guy's youtube channel for video reviews.


Stay apprised of the latest developments in the industry by visiting Veil Guy Blog
or to have articles automatically delivered to your email, subscribe by submitting your email address on the upper right side of the articles.

Last edited by Veil Guy; January 11th, 2017 at 12:08 PM.
  #35  
Old January 11th, 2017
poolmon poolmon is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,318
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kasher1979 View Post
There will be people that will test it against a gun thats probably been used like once or twice in history throughout the world. lol
Unfortunately for me, my state has DragonEye deployed (and every other new technology that seems to surface).
  #36  
Old January 11th, 2017
Veil Guy's Avatar
Veil Guy Veil Guy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Where I Hang My Hat
Posts: 871
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by poolmon View Post
Unfortunately for me, my state has DragonEye deployed (and every other new technology that seems to surface).
Same here, DEs are in Maryland and if you drive Route 50 towards OC, you'll certainly encounter them.

It's like anything, as a total percentage of guns, DEs are small percentages overall, but if it's in your backyard then it may be 100%. Once again, it comes down to what your specific needs are and why some detectors/jammers are great for some in some areas and not as great for others in other areas. It's actually always been that way.
__________________
Experience real-world encounters on the open road, from the pioneer of this bonafide testing format. Visit Veil Guy's youtube channel for video reviews.


Stay apprised of the latest developments in the industry by visiting Veil Guy Blog
or to have articles automatically delivered to your email, subscribe by submitting your email address on the upper right side of the articles.
  #37  
Old January 11th, 2017
EscortRadar's Avatar
EscortRadar EscortRadar is offline
Official Escort Rep
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 15,195
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by poolmon View Post
Unfortunately for me, my state has DragonEye deployed (and every other new technology that seems to surface).
It will shift DragonEye guns
__________________

Escort Radar customer service is available from 9am-5:30pm Eastern Time Mon-Fri at 1-800-543-1608 or by live chat
  #38  
Old January 11th, 2017
poolmon poolmon is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,318
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EscortRadar View Post
It will shift DragonEye guns
With VPR lidar shifting capability combined with its stealth radar detection capability makes it particularly attractive in my areas of operation. Looking forward to some of the first testing results (especially on shifter side).
  #39  
Old January 12th, 2017
mbcls mbcls is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 25
Default

i live in a state where lidar jamming is illegal. how about making max360ic automatically show off when it detected lidar? it' pain in the rear to manually shut off lidar everytime lidar detected.
  #40  
Old January 12th, 2017
EscortRadar's Avatar
EscortRadar EscortRadar is offline
Official Escort Rep
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 15,195
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbcls View Post
i live in a state where lidar jamming is illegal. how about making max360ic automatically show off when it detected lidar? it' pain in the rear to manually shut off lidar everytime lidar detected.
Just as with the current Passport 9500ci, there is a receive-only setting for the shifters. This is the factory default setting due to the restriction on shifting in certain areas.
__________________

Escort Radar customer service is available from 9am-5:30pm Eastern Time Mon-Fri at 1-800-543-1608 or by live chat
Closed Thread

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:18 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2017 Escort Inc.