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Old December 26th, 2014
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Default Does hardwiring an Escort RD void a BMW electronics warranty?

I used an electronics company in the family of companies that owns my BMW dealer to hardwire a rd in my 2012 BMW X5.

I now want to do the same with my 2015 BMW X5. However, there is more than one post on BMW forums that given certain developments BMW could claim the electronics warranty is voided by doing a hardwire install of any kind. The most recent post is today by an F15 owner wanting to hardwire a Max2.

Anyone have experience with this sort of thing? I thought my dealer cleared me for the 2012 X5 but my SA is not working today.
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I just did a search for BMW Electrical Problems on Google. 750,000 recalled 2013s. Also something about Electrical Fires. I would guess they are sensitive about installs of any kind electrical.
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That is actually a tricky subject.

Technically, you are allowed to modify your car in any way (including hard-installing something electrical) without your warranty being voided. Its law, although I honestly can't cite anything at the moment.

The warranty has to be honored, unless your modification caused the problem.

For example, if you hard-wire a radar detector and your alternator goes bad, it has to be honored and replaced. Even if you tap into a hot wire at the rear-view mirror, and a week later the rear-view dies, it has to be honored if it was defective and not the result of the RD install.

However, this is a really bad grey area and sometimes results in lawyers getting involved. It usually goes back and forth on what exactly caused the problem and winds up being a massive headache.

I had a hatchback a while ago that I installed an aftermarket sound system in. A couple months after, a sensor in my throttle body went bad, and the whole TB had to get replaced. The car was under warranty, they ordered the part and took my car. The work was done and I was given a bill, because they decided that my sound system install voided the warranty.

I had to get a lawyer to get my car back and not pay the bill, but it shouldn't have come to that.
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I seem to have read about problems with newer BMW's and aftermarket installs, mostly to do with CANBUS issues. I would ask the dealer where you bought the car how to handle having the hard wire done. They will probably recommend the place you took the first car since it is a related company or they may tell you another place or tell you they should do it. Get the recommendation in writing and if any warrenty problems arise you should be covered.
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Helpful input, thanks much.

I am going to contact my dealer and that will help decide how to protect myself although I had no problems with the 2012. The BMW forums debate location (fuse box, mirror-tap, power source in console) and whether one must prove that the hard-wire was not a factor or if the dealer will just blame the hard-wire leaving the owner to go to court to sort out things with BMW-USA. But at this point, no actual story of someone having an electronic warranty problem after hard-wiring a rd.

Roadbug, I could not help but notice that you are in Belarus. I have been to Minsk probably at least 4 times and enjoyed Belarus very much.
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That is actually a tricky subject.

Technically, you are allowed to modify your car in any way (including hard-installing something electrical) without your warranty being voided. Its law, although I honestly can't cite anything at the moment.

The warranty has to be honored, unless your modification caused the problem.
Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975
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Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975
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Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975
There is a sticker on my intake cover in the engine that specifically states that installing items such as radar detectors could void the BMW warranty

it specifically mentions radar detectors. But based on the info in this thread, it's an empty threat?
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All I can tell you is that I did a hard-wire install in my 2012 X5 and now my 2015 install with the full knowledge of my dealer. It may have helped that I used Cooper Electronics since I bought the X5s from Cooper BMW.

It would be helpful for you to identify your specific BMW. I would even like to see a photo and determine if I have the same thing.

Ironically, I plan to visit the Spartanburg BMW factory this afternoon or in the morning but I do not plan to discuss CMs.
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There is a sticker on my intake cover in the engine that specifically states that installing items such as radar detectors could void the BMW warranty

it specifically mentions radar detectors. But based on the info in this thread, it's an empty threat?
Its my understanding that the warranty repairs will be denied only if they can prove that the aftermarket component caused the failure.

Dealers/Service Advisors may jump to this conclusion but if you state the law and demand proof, they usually back down.
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