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Old June 3rd, 2017
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The electronics model in the last 10 years has been keep the latest and greatest models coming out. This works for smart phones because they are such an integrated part of our lives and there are so many trade in options, financing, cellular contract deals, etc... that its very common to have a new phone every 2 years.

If Escort is trying to follow that trend they are in for a slow but real reality. The RD market is not that fluid and those that are willing to pay $500+ for an RD do so because of a recommendation from someone else, not because of an add in Car and Driver. Its because someone they know recommended it, or because a forum like this or RDForum recommends it.

That recommendation comes at a cost and that cost is product support, quality of the product, and the ability of the product to live up to it's claims.

The RD market is just not big enough or fluid enough to be successful without that.
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First of all, let me say I don't spend a lot of time on this forum, so I haven't been keeping up with this issue other than knowing it exists. I got my Max 360 about 18 months ago and after a month or two of driving (I'm retired and don't drive too often, only about 7K miles/yr) I figured out that the k-band alerts I was getting when I passed most cars and trucks was from my BSM in my Acura.

I was hoping that maybe, just maybe, Escort would be able to come up with a process or filter (even if I had to pay a reasonable fee for the work, I would have been willing to do it) to block out certain frequencies, so I switched my display from my normal Expert FR to the Spec FR2 that displays the frequencies of the radar signals. After tracking this for the last year or so, I discovered that the frequencies of my BSM range anywhere from 24.196 to 25.003. I'm not much into the electronics and software part of these or what capabilities the manufacturers have to make these kinds of modifications, or why I'm getting a range of signals or if that's normal, so please forgive any lack of basic knowledge on my part.

Can any one with knowledge of the inner workings of these RDs tell me if it's even possible to block out certain frequencies as I'm suggesting, or is my idea just washed up and never going to happen? If there's no possible way for any one to filter out the BSMs by frequencies as I've suggested, I can just re-set my display to my normal Expert FR setting and forget about my idea and just wait and see what version 1.6 will provide for us whenever they release it.
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dwinnie -

As far as I know, there's not a way to filter out certain frequencies on any detector. I'm not saying it's impossible but as far as I know, no manufacturer implements a way to do that.

Acura's are one of the hardest sources of interference to filter out. All detectors, regardless of brand, seem to have problems with Acura's. The Acura system must look very much like police K band.

I don't know what's coming in version 1.6 but I'd be surprised if there was a change to allow the user to "shut off" notifications about certain frequencies.

Other Acura owners have posted about the same issue. Some detector users have mentioned bringing their detectors to the dealer to test drive a potential purchase especially if they know the car they're looking at has those driver assist systems.

For the time being, you may have to live with the situation, unless you're willing to consider purchasing a different vehicle.

Dan
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The electronics model in the last 10 years has been keep the latest and greatest models coming out. This works for smart phones because they are such an integrated part of our lives and there are so many trade in options, financing, cellular contract deals, etc... that its very common to have a new phone every 2 years.

If Escort is trying to follow that trend they are in for a slow but real reality. The RD market is not that fluid and those that are willing to pay $500+ for an RD do so because of a recommendation from someone else, not because of an add in Car and Driver. Its because someone they know recommended it, or because a forum like this or RDForum recommends it.

That recommendation comes at a cost and that cost is product support, quality of the product, and the ability of the product to live up to it's claims.

The RD market is just not big enough or fluid enough to be successful without that.
Good post.
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Old June 4th, 2017
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First of all, let me say I don't spend a lot of time on this forum, so I haven't been keeping up with this issue other than knowing it exists. I got my Max 360 about 18 months ago and after a month or two of driving (I'm retired and don't drive too often, only about 7K miles/yr) I figured out that the k-band alerts I was getting when I passed most cars and trucks was from my BSM in my Acura.

I was hoping that maybe, just maybe, Escort would be able to come up with a process or filter (even if I had to pay a reasonable fee for the work, I would have been willing to do it) to block out certain frequencies, so I switched my display from my normal Expert FR to the Spec FR2 that displays the frequencies of the radar signals. After tracking this for the last year or so, I discovered that the frequencies of my BSM range anywhere from 24.196 to 25.003. I'm not much into the electronics and software part of these or what capabilities the manufacturers have to make these kinds of modifications, or why I'm getting a range of signals or if that's normal, so please forgive any lack of basic knowledge on my part.

Can any one with knowledge of the inner workings of these RDs tell me if it's even possible to block out certain frequencies as I'm suggesting, or is my idea just washed up and never going to happen? If there's no possible way for any one to filter out the BSMs by frequencies as I've suggested, I can just re-set my display to my normal Expert FR setting and forget about my idea and just wait and see what version 1.6 will provide for us whenever they release it.
How prevalent is K band use by LE in the areas you travel. If its rare I would consider just turning off K band. Otherwise there's not much that can be done. The signal coming from your vehicle is strong enough to probably overdrive the 360 so I'm sure that may explain the varying frequencies. I know if I'm within a few car lengths of certain acura's my 360 is jumping off the windshield.
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Old June 7th, 2017
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I just read through this whole thread. Interesting read.

I was ready to purchase a Max 360, but think I'll stick with my Redline for now. The apparent lack of support for fixing problems and keeping the Max 360 up to date has put me off. I guess I'll just wait to see what transpires, if anything, over the next few months.

It sounds like the new Escort Radar doesn't bear much resemblance to the old Escort Radar.

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It sounds like the new Escort Radar doesn't bear much resemblance to the old Escort Radar.
Well....I'm not sure what you're comparing. I've used Escort detectors since the original Cincinnati Microwave Escort. Back in those days, there wasn't as much software involved with detectors. Now-a-days, detector operation is a lot more software based.

As an engineer involved in writing firmware, I can tell you that enhancements aren't released quickly and without thorough testing. That's just a fact of life in today's world. I know we've been waiting for the new bug fix but at the same time, I don't want it rushed out the door because user's are impatient. I want it released when it's tested and ready.

That may not be fast enough for some but it's the best and safest route for us users.

Dan
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