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I don't think anyone will disagree with you, but thus far, these 4 or so different tests are just the beginning in collecting relevant data to allow us to reach some conclusions later. No one has crowned or dethroned anything. It's just a discussion right now. The units tested have all been retail purchases and tests performed by some very unbiased and professional individuals. The beauty of lidar testing is that it's pretty clear cut in any case. Does the unit shift or not and if NO, then Why?

As to radar it's a little early to tell us anything, but they are slowly working on it. It will be months before we have sufficient data and units in the field before being able to draw any conclusions. However, once again, these are all non-manufacturers and no affiliates testing these. Once some falsing issues are resolved, testing and reviews shall continue.
While you may know the people and the methodology, and what equipment was used and where they got it from, there is nothing in the posts I linked above to show that.

I'm not some member of this weird secret society you have. I am a member of the general public. I am a buyer. And all i see is what is posted in the links I shared. If your buddies want credibility, they should stop associating with the competitor of Escort. The fact that BRD is involved hurts their credibility to people like me and it creates the burden of proving what you are saying. Where are the receipts, where are the photos of the equipment and close ups of brand new sensors on the test cars. I don't see any of it.

Remember when LI first came out - people made a point of showing the receipts to prove it was store bought equipment. They showed photos of the install. You could see everything is kosher. That discipline seems to have gone out the window with you people.
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It's probably not productive to go in a circle. Based off many testing sources, we believe the ShifterMax does not jam some DragonEye variants. Escort has responded that they are looking into it and reiterated that they remain committed to updating the system.

We can argue back and forth over it all day long and I don't see how it can change the situation for better or worse. Let's at least wait until what happens next before rehashing this topic.
I completely agree.

Multiple, reputable sources have demonstrated the inability for the new 360ci to detect the DragonEye VPR guns. This is incredibly disappointing especially with given the price point of the Max Ci and Escort's advertising claims. There's little to be gained by continuously flogging the issue.

However, Escort, IMHO, can easily fix the situation with a prompt public recognition of the issue and then demonstrate that they will actually produce a software/firmware upgrade.

IMO, the Max Ci has several features that make it attractive for me, but the without basic functionality of being able to jam ALL current guns at the price point the Max Ci is being sold makes it a non-starter for me at this time.

Come on Escort! Show me that you're dedicated to improving the Max Ci before my new Audi arrives!
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While you may know the people and the methodology, and what equipment was used and where they got it from, there is nothing in the posts I linked above to show that.

I'm not some member of this weird secret society you have. I am a member of the general public. I am a buyer. And all i see is what is posted in the links I shared. . If your buddies want credibility, they should stop associating with the competitor of Escort. The fact that BRD is involved hurts their credibility to people like me and it creates the burden of proving what you are saying Where are the receipts, where are the photos of the equipment and close ups of brand new sensors on the test cars. I don't see any of it.

Remember when LI first came out - people made a point of showing the receipts to prove it was store bought equipment. They showed photos of the install. You could see everything is kosher. That discipline seems to have gone out the window with you people.
Well said. There are a number of people who "roasted" and continue to roast a particular person because of the claims he made/makes and his alliance with Escort. Fair enough.

Yet, these same people appear to take a competing Escort vendor/manufacturer at his word without any reservation of potential bias.

Too me it seems hypocritical.

You hit the nail on the head with this statement " If your buddies want credibility, they should stop associating with the competitor of Escort. The fact that BRD is involved hurts their credibility to people like me and it creates the burden of proving what you are saying".

I too say, competitive parties should NOT be involved in testing a competitive product, regardless of the product or service. When I see this happening, say with reading reviews of a router or antivirus program, I click either the back button or the X button and look for another unbiased review. Rdforum should be a place where neutral enthusiasts gather. Throwing vendors in the mix and forming alliances eith them, regardless of who they represent, muddies the waters and diminishes the value of these types of forums.
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I'm not making excuses. I'm stating facts.

Fact 1:
Best Radar Detectors aka ALP-USA, posts that he has bench tested the Escort shifters, and also has looked inside to see how it is made. So it seems reasonable that this is the source of the RALETC unit in their post on page 16 which seems to refer to the exact same exercise.

https://www.rdforum.org/showthread.p...l=1#post860547

Fact 2:
On May 16th they posted their initial impressions of the Max 360 CI. They dismantled it for their initial impressions and then they put it together. Look at the CI sensor at the top photo and see how messed up it looks. They don't come like that from the factory. Look further down the post and you can see they took it apart.

http://www.raletc.com/escort-max-ci-first-impressions/

Fact 3:
On May 19th they post their testing video. It seems reasonable to assume this therefore took place after the dismantling. Are we supposed to believe they bought a whole new set just to test it? Why wouldn't they test first and dismantle second. I think it is highly likely they used the set they hacked up to test. And they have no evidence where they got this equipment from anywhere on their site. By contrast JDong is very transparent.

http://www.raletc.com/escort-max-ci-...oneye-compact/


Now you may think this doesn't matter, but to me it does matter. Testing should be ideally conducted with 3 principles:
1) Executed by vendor independent parties
2) Use equipment in out of the box condition that has not been tampered with
3) Sourced from a published and reputable official source

Those things don't apply here.

I don't dispute the findings, but I want to see results from a credible source before jumping to conclusions.
Just to add some information here:

RALETC (user mirage on some of the other forums) has their own 360ci that's not the same as the one the ALP rep uses. I have communicated with RALETC while doing my testing to compare some notes (particularly to see if the Ka falsing is universal) and the timing of the events make it impossible for RALETC and ALP/BestRadarDetectors to be sharing the same unit. While RALETC has assisted vendors in the past, both ALP and Stinger VIP, I do not believe there to be an affiliation bias in their results. Note that along with their article, they have extended an offer to Escort.

I also believe the information on the DragonEye guns to be credible, and the ball is in Escort's court on that subject.

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Just to add some information here:

RALETC (user mirage on some of the other forums) has their own 360ci that's not the same as the one the ALP rep uses. I have communicated with RALETC while doing my testing to compare some notes (particularly to see if the Ka falsing is universal) and the timing of the events make it impossible for RALETC and ALP/BestRadarDetectors to be sharing the same unit. While RALETC has assisted vendors in the past, both ALP and Stinger VIP, I do not believe there to be an affiliation bias in their results. Note that along with their article, they have extended an offer to Escort.

I also believe the information on the DragonEye guns to be credible, and the ball is in Escort's court on that subject.
The unit does seem to struggle with Dragon eye. If this holds true, it is not acceptable for such an expensive unit. It is also not acceptable to claim a product does something if it does not. Right now, from the initial looks of it, the Max Ci does not adequately detect and jam all laser as the claim is made. Either these are "one offs" or this unit really does have a problem.

Im interested in Escort's course of action at this point and if they address this in a reasonable amount of time. Unfortunately, history has shown us Escort does not do regular updates to released units unless it was recently released. This unit was recently released. Escort, the ball is in your court.
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