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Old March 29th, 2013
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I was wondering if you would care to start a thread related to your opinions on the perfect settings on the new updated redline to give us the absolute best range and reactivity on the new unit. Also I would be interested so hear your opinion on what you believe the added range and actual reactivity will be compared to the original redline software.
I am super excited about this update.

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It would be my pleasure Shannon.

It's actually quite simple. First thing to do is turn RDR off. This by itself is the biggest performance adder in both response times and extreme detection range. With RDR active a weak signal has to be found on two or more consective sweeps before setting an alert. With RDR off it will trigger an alert on the 1st detection.

Segmenting Ka is another thing that will reduce sweep time and improve response, but not nearly as much of a performance boost as simply turning RDR off. The major benefit of Segementing Ka is to eliminate sweeping that part of the Ka Bandwidth were false signals reside but no real radar exists.......below 33.7xxx GHZ.

Here are your Ka segments in the new firmware with the segments in red being the ones where 99.9% of mobile radars operate:

Ka1 = 33.392 - 33.704
Ka2 = 33.704 - 33.896 MPH 33.8 Ka
Ka3 = 33.886 - 34.198
Ka4 = 34.184 - 34.592
Ka5 = 34.592 - 34.808 Stalker 34.7 Ka
Ka6 = 34.806 - 35.166
Ka7 = 35.143 - 35.383
Ka8 = 35.378 - 35.618 Kustom / Decatur 35.5 ka
Ka9 = 35.595 - 35.835
Ka10 = 35.830 - 35.998

Turning segment Ka1 off is a must or you will detect every Cobra detector out there. Most other enthusiasts also turn off segments Ka3, Ka4, Ka6, Ka7, Ka9 and Ka10 because you will seldom if ever see a real mobile radar operating in these ranges.

So most folks would run RDR off with Ka segments 2/5/8 active and be well protected while getting the most performance out of the RedLine.

What about the other .01%?

Yes, there is always some small amount of risk. Mainly the risk of running into a serioulsy out of tune Ka transmitter or the rare old version of the Stalker ATR that operated at 35.2 GHZ.

For those serioulsy concerned about the ATR you can simply activate Ka7 as well. As for out of tune guns, it happens but is much less likely than the risk you were running of missing a quick IO shot prior to this new firmware (IMO). If out of tune guns still worry you, you could shut down just Ka1 and RDR and STILL have a tremendous performance improvement.

As for what to expect in reactivity? I will be testing that next week and post the results here. I think we will see response times drop from the current max of .7 seconds down to below .3 which is where we need to be to keep up with the new Digital radars out there.

For range......I firmly believe we just blew past the best detector ever tested, the original STi-R. The RedLine was better than the original STi-R in stock settings (one copy much better) but well behind the STi-R after the STi-R was segmented with RDR off. So if all else is equal, the segmented RedLine with RDR off should be somewhere out in front of that phenomenal STi-R we tested.



Only testing will tell, but that is my expectation.

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Excellent explanation Nine. Today I got a Ka 34.705 like usual so i doubt i will come across an out of tune gun 2/5/8 will miss. But what if my #1 concern is falsing, would just disabling Ka1 and RDR off prevent falsing and still provide the reactivity/range?

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Thanks A Million! That is exactly what I was wanting!!!

You all are awesome and I look forward to the new testing !!!!

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Excellent explanation Nine. Today I got a Ka 34.705 like usual so i doubt i will come across an out of tune gun 2/5/8 will miss. But what if my #1 concern is falsing, would just disabling Ka1 and RDR off prevent falsing and still provide the reactivity/range?
Turning Ka1 off cuts out at least ~60% of the Ka falses you would see with RDR turned off.

You can block out up to 90% of all Ka falsing by turning off just one more segment......but you better know what radars are operating in your area because now we are killing a part of the sweep that covers real radar.

Turning off Ka2 will eliminate those falses (again from Cobras) that sneak up into the 33.7xxx range, but you lose coverage against the MPH 33.8 Ka radars. For me, this is not a problem since I live in upstate New York and the closest MPH unit to me is down in Jersey.

It's an option, but I would not recommend turning this segment off unless you are very sure of what is being used in your area.

The last 10% of falses show up at or about 35.4xx. Some say these are Cobras as well, but I think it might be junk from a Whistler......but in any case these are really rare. Nothing you can do here as I would never recommend shutting down segment 8 as both Kustom and Decatur operate in this range and 35.5 is #2 in popularity right behind Stalker and their 34.7 guns.

As for reactivity/range......RDR is the biggest boost and just how much turning off segments adds to this we don't specifically know yet. I'll be able to pin down the reactivity by testing next week (with different segs enabled) when the test mule arrives. How turning on more segs will effect range should follow closely with effects of turning on more segs in the reactivity testing I would think.

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Outstanding answer Nine_c1. I urge you to make this a sticky!
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Outstanding answer Nine_c1. I urge you to make this a sticky!
Agreed! Sticky!!

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Agreed! Sticky!!

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Turning Ka1 off cuts out at least ~60% of the Ka falses you would see with RDR turned off.

You can block out up to 90% of all Ka falsing by turning off just one more segment......but you better know what radars are operating in your area because now we are killing a part of the sweep that covers real radar.

Turning off Ka2 will eliminate those falses (again from Cobras) that sneak up into the 33.7xxx range, but you lose coverage against the MPH 33.8 Ka radars. For me, this is not a problem since I live in upstate New York and the closest MPH unit to me is down in Jersey.

It's an option, but I would not recommend turning this segment off unless you are very sure of what is being used in your area.

As for reactivity/range......RDR is the biggest boost and just how much turning off segments adds to this we don't specifically know yet. I'll be able to pin down the reactivity by testing next week (with different segs enabled) when the test mule arrives. How turning on more segs will effect range should follow closely with effects of turning on more segs in the reactivity testing I would think.
I am in upstate as well now so I may turn of Ka2, and I did turn on Ka7. Very interested in the various segments and how much faster/slower depending on how many are used.

Hopefully we can get a few RedLines tested for comparison.
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If you boys head down south you better not turn ka2 off, or you'll find a motorcycle with flashing blue lights behind ya.

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If you boys head down south you better not turn ka2 off, or you'll find a motorcycle with flashing blue lights behind ya.
There ya go.....it pays to know what is being used in your local area.
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