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Veil Guy November 2nd, 2017 01:40 PM

Max 360c First Impressions
 
I have had some time behind the wheel with the new 360c and my early impressions are favorable.

BSM Filtering

I am finding that the new 360c is showing the Escort has finally solidly improved their BSM filtering algorithms WITHOUT the need for TSR.

In a number of extra urban driving, I was being pummeled by multiple K-band CAS systems including an Audi (24.08x) and GM/Caddy/Acura (24.2xx) and the 360c handled it all with great finesse.

I initially used K2 segment on only with TSR OFF with great success. Adding K3 was just as quiet. I then tried all four segments on with TSR OFF and it did very well too, although it appeared when I encountered a genuine K band CW source (drone sign), then a 24.06x alert briefly poked through the filtering, but then quickly disappeared.

This kind of thing can happen with other detectors, too.

What my experiences have been leading my to believe, is that the M5/M6 platform from a hardware perspective is very solid and it really has been just a matter of software.

It seems that the software engineers have finally turned the corner on effective BSM filtering.

Ka-band sensitivity

Like the original 360, the 360c seems to do very very well with 33.8 Ka, but continues to do so WHILE being interfered with K CW and K FMCW systems at the same time. One encounter showed the 360c pulled the legit signal out of the noise. Very encouraging.

X-band sensitivity

Looks very good. 360c alerts to the same weak X-band that typically only the M3s (and a different brand's catch). So very encouraging there as well.

K-band sensitivity

Also very solid as compared to my original STI-R

Size/Weight

Far more reasonable. Similar width to the Redline EX, slightly shorter than it.

Magnetic Mount

Awesome. What else can I say.

Display

While the display is offset quite deeply, the silver face can work against it and in very bright daylight half of the display is sometimes impacted by the reflection of the silver front bezel. Display seems brighter and more readable with the Redline EX and its black chassis lowering reflections in similar lighting conditions.

Overall First Impression

Looking good, so far.

I only hope their progress on the software engineering trickles down to the rest of the detector line, which I trust it will...They figure it out for one, the rest can follow.

I have some videos of some encounters in the pipeline...

VG

BelsCortFan November 2nd, 2017 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veil Guy (Post 139221)

Ka-band sensitivity

Like the original 360, the 360c seems to do very very well with 33.8 Ka, but continues to do so WHILE being interfered with K CW and K FMCW systems at the same time. One encounter showed the 360c pulled the legit signal out of the noise. Very encouraging.

X-band sensitivity

Just curious as to HOW you would know this?? Is there an alert on the Max360 C that says " K band false being suppressed, BUT valid Ka coming through??"

How does it do against 34.7 and 35.5? Have there been any bench or performance test on the road?? How does its range compare to the EX and/or the original Redline???

Veil Guy November 2nd, 2017 03:07 PM

Should be very obvious...I run the Beltronics STi-R that doesn't have any advanced filtering such as TSR, K segmenting, nor IVT--all predates them--so I know what the "reference", and hence, the windshield mount radar detector is experiencing.



VG

SmoovC November 7th, 2017 03:00 PM

Interesting. Could this be the answer I am looking for? I have a 2014 Cadillac CTS VSport Premium with all of the in car tech. K Band constantly falses, so I have resorted to turning off K Band; which leaves me unprotected from the County authorities who run K Band.

I am currently running a 360 with the latest firmware. Will the 360c allow me to filter out falses from my car, and still leave me protected?

Veil Guy November 7th, 2017 03:58 PM

Don't know it would handle in-car, but I suspect well, because the sensors face backward.

Use KN2 only for 24.110-24.175, should catch most guns.

Once, a 24.167 briefly alerted when I passed one, I recall.

SmoovC November 8th, 2017 09:34 AM

So, I turned on K band today, and the vehicle emits 24.072; arrows on Max 360 indicate detection at front of vehicle.

Veil Guy November 8th, 2017 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmoovC (Post 139410)
So, I turned on K band today, and the vehicle emits 24.072; arrows on Max 360 indicate detection at front of vehicle.

Turn on segment 2 only.

You can also try 3, you may see high alerts as well.

2 only should do the trick though. Hopefuly you won't see 24.167 are there abouts with 2 on.

Let us know how that works, please.

SmoovC November 8th, 2017 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veil Guy (Post 139412)
Turn on segment 2 only.

You can also try 3, you may see high alerts as well.

2 only should do the trick though. Hopefuly you won't see 24.167 are there abouts with 2 on.

Let us know how that works, please.

Thank you for your help, VG; I will report back with my findings. :)

Veil Guy November 8th, 2017 10:41 AM

My pleasure.

Good luck!

poolmon November 11th, 2017 09:35 AM

K band Sensitivity

As a first impression of the 360c I noticed its K band sensitivity is dialed way back as compared to the current MAX/MAX2 firmware. I assume it's got the same revised 360 firmware that has yet to come out for the MAX/MAX2.

Whereas my original MAX in Auto Mode detects and locks out certain constant emitters, the 360c does not detect them in Auto Mode at all. I was sitting at a light in the presence of such an emitter switched the 360c to Highway and sure enough it then picked up the K signal that was not showing in Auto Mode on the 360c but does show in Auto on the MAX.

Buttons

I like the fact the Mute button is again moved forward on the 360c from its more rearward position on the MAX. The buttons are a bit stiff to the touch as you really have to press firmly to engage.

Design

Very nice style, like the iX, and about the size of the original MAX as opposed to the larger original 360.

Arrows

Very nice, and responsive. I ran across a couple of Ka based pole mounted speed cameras and got quick switching as I passed. Super helpful in traffic as now I know if the signal is in front or behind and I can better react accordingly. Kind of like when I was young and had a car without air conditioning. Its just fine until I got one with ac and saw what I missing. With respect to Ka (fairly low power) on those pole cameras, the MAX seems to pick them up a bit sooner than the 360c, but not by much.

BelsCortFan November 11th, 2017 11:40 AM

I was sitting at a light in the presence of such an emitter switched the 360c to Highway and sure enough it then picked up the K signal that was not showing in Auto Mode on the 360c but does show in Auto on the MAX.



*** Do you believe or know if it was seeing the signal at all (perhaps grey color locked out on display) or in Auto Mode was it just not seeing the signal??? That's very odd behaviour that in Highway mode it would begin to see the signal versus Auto mode where it did not?? Highway is NOT speed dependent whereas Auto Mode is. ***

poolmon November 11th, 2017 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BelsCortFan (Post 139553)
I was sitting at a light in the presence of such an emitter switched the 360c to Highway and sure enough it then picked up the K signal that was not showing in Auto Mode on the 360c but does show in Auto on the MAX.



*** Do you believe or know if it was seeing the signal at all (perhaps grey color locked out on display) or in Auto Mode was it just not seeing the signal??? That's very odd behaviour that in Highway mode it would begin to see the signal versus Auto mode where it did not?? Highway is NOT speed dependent whereas Auto Mode is. ***

In Auto Mode it was not displaying anything on the 360c, but when switched to Highway Mode it was displaying an active (non-greyed) signal. I assume in Auto Mode it was seeing that signal but was filtering it (unlike the MAX which saw and displayed a greyed signal). This also happens at slower speeds at that location (as opposed to completely stopped). This presents an interesting question, if in Auto Mode is seeing but filtering the signal (such as there is nothing displayed) will it still Auto Learn it (as it would have if I were in Highway Mode)?

I also notice that when pulling into grocery store parking lots my MAX (Auto Mode) would either show a lockout or double beep (Cruise Control), whereas the 360c (Auto Mode) tends to show no signal at all until I get right next to the doors whereupon I get an instant full blast K (like I/O). I assume that when the firmware update for the MAX/MAX2 comes out my MAX will then behave more like the 360c and be less K sensitive.

I also drove by a spot on an interstate which has a "false" K signal that I continually have to lock out on my MAX from time to time. On the 360c in Auto Mode it displays no signal at all and I'm over 65 mph at that spot. I'm going to switch to Highway next time and I believe it will then show on the display. By the way I have TSR in its default On setting.

wolfgang November 11th, 2017 01:03 PM

Nice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Veil Guy (Post 139225)
Should be very obvious...I run the Beltronics STi-R that doesn't have any advanced filtering such as TSR, K segmenting, nor IVT--all predates them--so I know what the "reference", and hence, the windshield mount radar detector is experiencing.



VG

I recognize the locations, you must be in NJ PA. Take a run out route 78 from NJ to Pa and see the big orange median Ka radar sign false alert. Love the background music.

bossdad71 November 12th, 2017 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmoovC (Post 139410)
So, I turned on K band today, and the vehicle emits 24.072; arrows on Max 360 indicate detection at front of vehicle.

once you lock that signal out, it should remember it, and even though that's in the range of a legit k band gun, the chances of it being spot on a very slim, imo

06142020 November 12th, 2017 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bossdad71 (Post 139588)
once you lock that signal out, it should remember it, and even though that's in the range of a legit k band gun, the chances of it being spot on a very slim, imo

Lockouts are location-specific though. If the detector is falsing to his car that won't help.

I think the best thing you can do is try a different mounting location (eg higher on the windshield or low to the dash), and try turning TSR on. You might take a slight hit in detection range, but it's worth it if you can prevent constant falses to your vehicle.

BelsCortFan November 12th, 2017 08:19 PM

I'm thinking that this is not a lock-out issue as much a Max360c filtering issue. If it were lockout, clearly it would be dismissed as such ( greyed out) as being seen, but locked out. If it's being filtered, it's being seen, but being seen as a false and being totally rejected. Try turning TSR off at same location in auto mode , easy to do on Live , and see what happens. It seems to me that between IVT and TSR , the unit is filtering to the point that it's not recognizing valid K band signals.

EscortRadar November 13th, 2017 02:41 PM

poolmon,
Auto mode filtered out a false signal, it is doing its job. Once the same firmware is available for your Max or Max 2, you should recognize the same performance with it.

Veil Guy November 14th, 2017 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfgang (Post 139559)
I recognize the locations, you must be in NJ PA. Take a run out route 78 from NJ to Pa and see the big orange median Ka radar sign false alert. Love the background music.

I've got plenty of (video'd) runs against that 34.7 Ka sign, it's been there for years and still keeps on going. Just went by it last night coming from Tribeca.

Just off of the Hellertown exit. I go up there when I make a Waffle House run. There are only a handful of these in the state of PA and that's one of them. :)

icefalkon November 17th, 2017 03:47 PM

Just got it...
 
Just received and installed the unit in my car and am heading out to Montauk Point for the weekend in a few hours. So I'll get to test her out on Long Island Distressway.

But I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed with the unit already. The unit has a great sturdy feel to it that my Max didn't really have, I love the new magnetic window clip, and it immediately paired up with Escort Live.

whitebro January 2nd, 2018 01:49 AM

How good is it at picking up Multaradar CD and CT?

Butcher318 January 2nd, 2018 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitebro (Post 141073)
How good is it at picking up Multaradar CD and CT?

The USA version won't. I would check with your local Escort dealer and see if they make an International 360. If not you might look at the Redline EX International.

jpopcorn April 15th, 2018 12:54 AM

360c a Step Up From a 360
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by icefalkon (Post 139979)
Just received and installed the unit in my car and am heading out to Montauk Point for the weekend in a few hours. So I'll get to test her out on Long Island Distressway.

But I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed with the unit already. The unit has a great sturdy feel to it that my Max didn't really have, I love the new magnetic window clip, and it immediately paired up with Escort Live.

I agree completely. Just went from a 360 to the 360c. Wasn't expecting a much better engineered and constructed unit, but it is. Very impressive.

audiomixer June 1st, 2018 11:03 PM

Took my first 2500 mile trip with the new max 360c (update 1.5). My comparison is using my 12 year old 9500i converted to a 9500ix some 8 years ago so I know the range pretty well. This 360c picks up Ka at up to 50% greater distance than my 9500ix did under the same conditions. Was driving south on US 95 going from Oregon into Nevada. This thing picked up the tribal police at around 7 miles that were parked along the hiway. The direction arrows are so cool! Only issue is that following a truck, the distant ka behind me will reflect off the back of the truck to set off the 360c making it think the signal is forward.
Other then that (and getting used to the different audio qualities between the 9500ix and 360c), this device is a keeper. It integrates nicely with the escort live app.

EscortRadar June 5th, 2018 10:45 AM

It is great to hear that you are happy with your MAX 360c audiomixer. Thank you for posting your experience with it!

gorgid September 13th, 2018 04:25 PM

360C is another Champion but i would add couple features.
 
I'm really enjoying the 360C. Escort --Great job on sorting Blind Spot Assist. Two years ago I had to disable K-band completely on my previous 360. It was beeping all the way from Tampa to Miami and it was driving me insane. But couple things I would add:


1) Software/Firmware update via Bluetooth from the phone with Escort Live ( its easy phone is always online). It's big Plus to WiFi connected vehicles ( not all vehicles have ability for WiFi).

2)I would change Mini-USB port to Micro-USB port. Most of the new devices using now Micro USB.

Thanks.

SmoovC September 13th, 2018 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gorgid (Post 145746)
I'm really enjoying the 360C. Escort --Great job on sorting Blind Spot Assist. Two years ago I had to disable K-band completely on my previous 360. It was beeping all the way from Tampa to Miami and it was driving me insane. But couple things I would add:


1) Software/Firmware update via Bluetooth from the phone with Escort Live ( its easy phone is always online). It's big Plus to WiFi connected vehicles ( not all vehicles have ability for WiFi).

2)I would change Mini-USB port to Micro-USB port. Most of the new devices using now Micro USB.

Thanks.

Agreed! The IVT filtering is amazing. I too had to turn off K Band on the 360.
On 2): USB C would be the port to go to. Everything we have is USB C, and most devices are there; if not headed there. Well, except for Apple maybe..... ;)

TBNTX September 13th, 2018 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmoovC (Post 145747)
USB C would be the port to go to. Everything we have is USB C, and most devices are there; if not headed there. Well, except for Apple maybe..... ;)

Apple has embraced USB C widely in their recent laptops. I own a MacBook Pro that I purchased early last year, and the only ports on it are USB C. People might enjoy this reading.

SmoovC September 14th, 2018 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBNTX (Post 145748)
Apple has embraced USB C widely in their recent laptops. I own a MacBook Pro that I purchased early last year, and the only ports on it are USB C. People might enjoy this reading.

Interesting read. Google introduced USB C on both the Pixel C tablet and the 6p phone in 2015. Being a Google centric household, it sure is nice to have one standard for cables, charging and data transfer in both the house and cars. Interesting read as well: https://www-theverge-com.cdn.ampproj...ipad-standards

Biguglydude December 20th, 2018 02:35 PM

First Impression...after one month with the 360C, I've identified the Buick Enclave and the Chrysler 300 with K band BSM systems. Jury is still out on this one.

mikecronis May 7th, 2019 05:53 PM

Small gripes: Too dim display, audio too quiet, ramp-ups too sudden. Everyone knows the WiFi PSL doesn't work.

Otherwise, fairly decent.

poolmon May 7th, 2019 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biguglydude (Post 147386)
First Impression...after one month with the 360C, I've identified the Buick Enclave and the Chrysler 300 with K band BSM systems. Jury is still out on this one.

Are you running version firmware 1.8?
Versions prior to it seemed to have a bit more enhanced BSM rejection capability, especially as respects the rear antenna.
Hopefully Escort can tune it back a bit in the future. It had the best BSM I had ever experienced, so much so I got a second one shortly thereafter. Going to keep hoping for a retro-tweak.

MSM May 8th, 2019 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecronis (Post 149466)
Small gripes: Too dim display, audio too quiet, ramp-ups too sudden. Everyone knows the WiFi PSL doesn't work.

Otherwise, fairly decent.

My WIFI PSL Works.....

Brad Bishop May 23rd, 2019 08:36 PM

My First Impressions
 
I just got the Max 360C today and I'm impressed, in a sort of weird way.

First, the display is MUCH better than the Max 360 or the Max2. I can leave it on "Auto" and it actually looks right for the conditions.
- Disclaimer: I bought a new Blendmount to go with it so maybe the new Blendmount isn't casting as much shade on it as the old one. Either way, the display looks a LOT better to me.

The WiFi connection: I actually put a hotspot (and $10/mo) into my car to do this but it's FAR better than using the Escort Live app. On my iPhone (gave it up about a year back) I remember being able to run the Live App in the background (I might be wrong on this) but I had to make sure it was connected. On my Android phone you can't just run it in the background (like I can with SO many other apps) and have it work. You actually have to have the app open and in the foreground for the data won't update. I eventually gave up on the app. The WiFi bit takes my phone out of the equation and it's a lot better. Now I wish my Garmin GPS (Yep, I used a Garmin GPS instead of a smart phone app - it's a lot better - this coming from a guy who used a smart phone app for nearly 10 years) used WiFi for traffic, weather, other updates/info..

The main thing is: Get my phone out from being the middleman on this stuff because it's kind of a pain.

The design of the Max 360c is more in line to what I expect (vs. the Max 360 which was a bit bulky).

I like the magnetic mount. That works WAY better than the Max 360's mount which was WAY better than the Max's mount (with that horribly placed release tab which was right next to bar holding everything up!).

Anyway, while I'm knocking Escort on many of their flaws, the Max 360c actually deserves a "good job", IMO.

Esc0rtFan May 24th, 2019 01:46 PM

I am glad you like the 360c. I had these same observations when I upgraded as well. Awesome detector!

Tingtang May 29th, 2019 03:13 AM

just got the 360c today. went through the 8500 x50, iX, max 2, and now the 360c. I haven't been able to get the PSL to work on either bluetooth or wifi. I was able to update over wifi though. so its running fw 1.9.
question for escort, are the settings for escort live on the iPhone different from android? the video I saw of someone setting up the RD through escort live iPhone app seems to have extra settings that don't show up on the android app. using galaxy note 8 with android pie 9. also I can't get the detector completely level, its tilted to one side, if I try turning slightly it becomes pointed more to one side, not sure if that made any sense to you, but Im thinking its because of the curvature of my windshield. to adapt terms used to describe axis in flight, its rolled a little to the left, but when I correct this by twisting the mount, the yaw becomes pointed to the left, is pitch the only thing adjustable? how is everyone adjusting to the different curves of different windshields? previously you would bend the mounts, but the new mag mounts are plastic and unbendable, I think?

EscortRadar May 29th, 2019 03:32 PM

Congratulations on the MAX 360c!

Mount
There is no roll adjustment on the mount. We recommend mounting it in the center of the windshield which should result in no roll.

No Speed Limit Data
It is odd that you are not receiving speed limit data through bluetooth or Wi-Fi. A premium Escort Live account is required for this data so there may be an issue with your account. Please send me an email at buy@escortradar.com with your login email address and I will look into it.

Thank you

Tingtang May 29th, 2019 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EscortRadar (Post 149841)
Congratulations on the MAX 360c!

Mount
There is no roll adjustment on the mount. We recommend mounting it in the center of the windshield which should result in no roll.

No Speed Limit Data
It is odd that you are not receiving speed limit data through bluetooth or Wi-Fi. A premium Escort Live account is required for this data so there may be an issue with your account. Please send me an email at buy@escortradar.com with your login email address and I will look into it.

Thank you

It is mounted in the center of windshield, maybe slightly favoring driver side, only because i would have to sit up in my seat to touch any of the buttons if it was any farther. I will attach a picture as soon as I figure out how, lol. And I also just emailed you what was requested.

Esc0rtFan May 29th, 2019 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tingtang (Post 149846)
It is mounted in the center of windshield, maybe slightly favoring driver side, only because i would have to sit up in my seat to touch any of the buttons if it was any farther. I will attach a picture as soon as I figure out how, lol. And I also just emailed you what was requested.

You can undo the clip that secures the suction in place and move to left or right then lock it if you want to adjust that way also.

Sometimes you can also move it a hair to left or right without released the clip but I would recommend releasing it first you don't want to risk damaging your mount.


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